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The MCU's Lampshading Problem
This isn't one of those 'MCU Bad' videos which have been appearing everywhere on X-vid in the past few months. No, this is a video essay looking at Marvel's cinematic franchise and its habit of lampshading - both to forestall criticism, to counterbalance threatened suspension of disbelief, and to humorously wink at common tropes of the medium. This video argues that the MCU's habit of lampshading is more impactful than it appears at first, often in negative ways, and isn't even needed, really. This video's topic was created and selected by my Patreon supporters - join up now to have your say on the next Community video! www.patreon.com/pillarofgarbage
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  • Natalie Rogers
    Natalie Rogers 13 minutes ago

    I appreciate you for bringing up the MCU's lampshading of their own depiction of masculinity. So much popular media marketed at men and boys create worlds populated primarily with male characters, but in order to fulfill the hypermasculine power fantasy they drew their audience in with, the relationships between all those male characters have to suffer. It's hard to have a genuine and sincere moment between two male characters without cracking a joke or employing unnecessary emotional restraint so as not to have them appear too "soft." We saw that a lot in the Captain America series. Steve Rogers started out as a character who wasn't the hypermasculine ideal. He solved problems with his wits and perseverance before he had any physical strength. Then somehow in Endgame, his story sort of fizzles out because "he punched the bad guys harder than anyone in history! and now he deservers a rest after one final big huge punch." It felt detached from the person he began the story as in First Avenger. Then later, in Falcon and Winter Soldier, the writers will crack jokes about Bucky and Sam rolling in a flower field together or going to couples counseling, but towards the climax of their story, when they actually have to open up to each other emotionally to solve the larger problem, everything feels stilted and mostly detached from either of their characters' journeys. They can't even have a direct conversation about the friend they just lost. Steve wasn't just a symbol to them like he is to other characters in the story! They talk about him like a folk hero as opposed to their best friend. The same thing happens in Endgame when Tony and Steve reconcile and they awkwardly avoid talking about Bucky. It makes the universe feel so much less rich when it's full of all these male characters, but none of them can talk to or about each other.

  • Chris Demetriou
    Chris Demetriou 14 minutes ago

    Nice! This also relates to the way superhero movies hand-wave IRL problems through the lens of the villains: In a lot of circumstances, the villain is actually right: they try to solve racism, have been wronged by corrupt power, stand against imperialism etc etc. But this brings attention to the fact that most cinematic superheroes (when faced with issues like those) are inherently fascist. When the villain tries to explain themselves, our heroes have a moment of self reflection ("Am I the baddie?") but then decide to stop thinking about the problem because it makes them feel sad: "No, you are crazy, the system works, *punch punch*". It's almost as if movies are trying to teach us how to think about IRL issues that might make us feel weird -.- Excellent video as always!

    • Frankorious
      Frankorious 7 minutes ago

      Are you talking about a villain in particular? Because most of them are cool with reaching their goal through a stair of bodies.

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 10 minutes ago

      I actually have a video going in-depth on that exact point - here's a link x-vid.net/video/TLkMu4mzspc/video.html (though bear in mind this was a good while back, and the production quality is wayyy lower)

  • toyosibee.mp3
    toyosibee.mp3 24 minutes ago

    having been watching mcu movies since i was like. 10, this style of jokes/writing has done unimaginable damage to my own writing and it's taking sooooo much work to undo it 😭

  • UndeadGaming
    UndeadGaming 26 minutes ago

    Do you just not sleep? Jesus Christ, these are scripted thought out videos and you post like two times a week

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 12 minutes ago

      You're not a million miles off! I'm often editing til like 2 or 3 - but I don't really have too much of a choice. I'm currently trying to get by on full-time Content Creation, and since my videos don't reliably get a whole ton of views, and I can't reliably get sponsorship deals, I've got to just get more videos done faster than many other creators do. In an ideal world I'd maybe post once a week, but the financial side of things doesn't really permit a more relaxed pace at the moment.

  • Plaid PVCPipe
    Plaid PVCPipe 29 minutes ago

    :( I wish you would make that longer essay about what you think Seinfeld is about

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 17 minutes ago

      I was actually thinking about this same thing earlier. I've got the broad strokes planned out, but it'd take a lot of research and time to actually put it together. That's a lot of time and work for something which, given my current demographic, would probably get about 5K views at best, and at present I can't really afford (in a financial sense) to spend like a week or more putting together *that* video instead of more audience-friendly alternatives. But I promise it will come, one day, hopefully not too far in the future.

  • Replica_Rabbit
    Replica_Rabbit 30 minutes ago

    This is one of the reasons the DCAU hold up so well, than most of MCU movies. The DCAU do the lampshading better and it also dig into their characters. I do hope the MCU get better

  • Al Martinez
    Al Martinez 35 minutes ago

    MCU nip pick: The Video

    • Al Martinez
      Al Martinez 2 minutes ago

      @Pillar of Garbage of course, that could get awkward…

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 8 minutes ago

      idk I probably wouldn't pick Nip until AleksiB gets comfortable with the squad

  • Anita Nielsen
    Anita Nielsen 37 minutes ago

    “CIAvengers” XD

  • Thwip Kid
    Thwip Kid 58 minutes ago

    I think with your point on Civil War you’re falsely accusing the film of lampshading when the film is about those politics, even the comics are about those politics. It’s not a case of film makers saying “oh yes we acknowledge that these problems exist because we need you to know this film takes place in the real world” cause really what they’re doing is taking the consequences and the problems these things would cause and actually crafting a story around them. It’s the same way the first Iron Man film challenged Tony for being an arms dealer, Civil War is challenging the Avengers own problematic issues as a group outside politics and the law.

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 22 minutes ago

      My viewpoint here is that, while that example does have significant narrative consequences, it remains a valid example - especially since, as I noted in the video, these consequences seem to disappear almost entirely post-Civil War. To me, this is still lampshading, even if the 'why' goes beyond merely preserving suspension of disbelief (which remains a factor). It's explicitly recognising a perceived oversight, and building a story on its newly-given explanation.

  • guzkus1
    guzkus1 Hour ago

    The Civil War criticism doesn't make sense. SHEILD is government-sponsored, and they control The Avengers. After its collapse in Civil War, they operate outside the legal bounds UNTIL Civil War, where the Sokovia Accords attempt to bring them in line. That's what the movie is about.

    • guzkus1
      guzkus1 45 minutes ago

      The hyper-masculinity criticism also only applies to Tony Stark. Steve Rogers wins none of his conflicts through only violence, Hulk is Smart Hulk now, incredibly nerdy and the opposite of topically masculine, Thor in his first movie, Ragnarok and Love and Thunder is explicitly screwed when he buys into the over-masculine ideal. Doctor Strange, as you mention, wins both his battles through wits; Peter wins his through mercy. Guardians deconstructs masculinity deeply, Falcon and Winter Soldier and Loki end with a woman using brief acts of violence to end the male protagonists attempts at mercy. Hawkeye ends in a character moment, Eternals ends in the masculine Ikaris recognizing his faith is misguided, Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, Black Panther, and Ant-Man 1 have masculine violence-filled showdowns, I grant, but Stephen and Scott are not hyper-masculine, Black Panther and Shang-Chi show feminine strength in both Shang-Chi using his mothers fighting style to beat his dad and Shuri, Nakia, and Okoye representing different uses of feminine power. Tony Stark is a hyper-masculine, ego-driven nightmare who punches his enemies until they are dead and builds murder-death robots that kill everyone. The Avengers conflicts, when they fight aliens, are the moments where the violence is good and the point, but that's because Loki, Ultron and Thanos are all Hitler and we are allowed to kill Hitler bloodily.

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 46 minutes ago

      Right, but everything between TWS and CW - all the 'Hydra-stomping', Sokovia nonsense, Lagos stuff, and every other op which presumably happened offscreen are, apparently, illegal and unilateral.

  • Cinemasketch
    Cinemasketch Hour ago

    Only part I'm a little confused about is the hypermasculinization bit. Like I agree that they go for spectacle when they don't need to 9 times out of ten, I just don't see what that has to do with masculinity? Like I see people on the internet call several mcu heroes "betas" because they talk about their feelings. Spiderman, Dr strange, iron man, hulk, rocket etc, so I've always appreciated that aspect of their depiction, but its far from something exclusive to the Mcu

  • The Republic of Historical Fanatics

    I personally thought the ones in ant man and the wasp were actually funny I laughed at the “hank it looks like us at a baseball game”

  • Alexandre de Souza

    This is why I love James Gunn's work on the DCEU. He isn't afraid to just dive into the wackiest parts of the DC Universe and embrace them. The characters in The Suicide Squad do briefly appear confused at the wackier powers like throwing polka dots and self dismemberment, but they don't focus on lampshading it, it's just a brief, genuine reaction and then, acceptance. Meanwhile, Hawkeye's making a jab at himself for bringing a bow and arrow to fight an army of robots.

    • Brendan J. Smith
      Brendan J. Smith 40 minutes ago

      James Gunn's work in Marvel is done in the same way. Also directors like Sam Raimi and Taika Waititi (at least at first) are great at just embracing the comic book weirdness. Makes me wish Edgar Wright got his way with Ant-Man.

    • Optical Sorcerer
      Optical Sorcerer 56 minutes ago

      Unpopular opinion: I actually prefer the roster and soundtrack of 2016's SS.

  • David Martinez
    David Martinez Hour ago

    I always thought it would've been interesting if they had addressed the release of the terigen mists that created Inhumans all over the world. Maybe SHIELD and the Avengers responding to Inhumans randomly popping up across the country. An Inhuman loses control over their powers, and kills a lot of people. Government wants Inhumans to be tracked down and kept in check. One side believes the Inhumans should have the freedom to choose to register or not. The other side believes the In humans and the other superhumans should register.

  • Abdurrahman Sabri

    I feel like the reason the MCU has been so weary delving deeply into the in-universe politics of the Avengers is that it will inevitably raise a lot of questions which it does not have any real answers. For instance, "Why are the majority of Avengers white male 'Americans'?" or, "Why is the world so similar to ours for normal people when such amazing tech and magic exists?". To be fair this isn't a problem unique to the MCU. Young Justice has a similar problem, and that show actually delves into in-universe politics and Geo-politics.

  • TheBlarggle
    TheBlarggle Hour ago

    So, you're saying they're got a great power that they need to use more responsibly. It'd be cool if one of their characters had that as like a mantra or words of wisdom to live by.

  • Kinetic_Kripesh
    Kinetic_Kripesh Hour ago

    So refreshing to see someone not jumping on the hate wagon of MCU for an out-of-the-blue spike in view count, your videos are educational in nature, unlike those opportunists who for example make vids like "I am done with The MsheU" and then you can't see anything in their discography other than MCU hate videos that too having the most shallow criticizing.. Anyways I would like you if you could make something related to Young Avengers(how can they adopt it from comics to live action)... IDK just want you to make a vid on this cause you tend to do a lot of research in your vids... :)

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage Hour ago

      No promises, but I’ll keep Young Avengers in mind when thinking about future videos!

  • FLLMALL
    FLLMALL Hour ago

    this is a comment

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 33 minutes ago

      @FLLMALL No problem, appreciate you giving the algorithm a little bump :)

    • FLLMALL
      FLLMALL 38 minutes ago

      @Pillar of Garbage great video btw, i just really didnt know what to comment

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage Hour ago

      This is a reply

  • Daelen.C Clark
    Daelen.C Clark Hour ago

    I admit lampshading can be obnoxious in these, but I think it can work if lessened a bit and thought about a little more.

  • blue vortex png
    blue vortex png Hour ago

    i think it's interesting to note re: hypermasculinity how iron man got adapted into the MCU. in many of his comics, especially starting way back in tales of suspense, the point of tony's character was that despite seemingly having it all, he leads a life of tragedy, metaphorically trapped inside his armor and being unable to truly connect with anyone. and while we do see a few of these themes carry over to the MCU, his character seems to be the most egregious in terms of the "hypermasculine" hero trope (i think a lot of it has to do with framing. iron man 2 has a similar plot point of tony's self-isolation and self-destructiveness due to him realizing he's dying, but it's kind of drowned out by "wow cool armor cool explosions look at how we'll sexualize these various female characters in the movie") anyway how much better would the MCU be if iron man 1, the movie that served as a blueprint for many of the other movies, fully leaned into the subversion of the male power fantasy seen in iron man comics pre-MCU? we'll never know but it's something i like to try to think about

    • Maro Cat
      Maro Cat Hour ago

      I still liked 2 if it did hit the am point, but i actually get tony having a relapse. And he is a mes enough i dont buy it. Ok i think its ffun enough and enough in his character that he could have to relearn again. I think that aproah works, as long as we still can see tony as antihero who is rong a loot of times an framed as that, Which i didnt lik him later, becau he int shown as that. Alo latr the reaons for tony to rea out are never hhat eplored but morre like "it was in that movie" stuff. Personally

  • Labirinto -
    Labirinto - Hour ago

    well, after the masculinity point the video went trash

    • FLLMALL
      FLLMALL Hour ago

      Why though? Can't handle your sensitive masculinity questioned?

  • Sandra
    Sandra Hour ago

    Great video. Civil War opened a whole can of worms with the accountability of the Avengers. I don‘t love any argument in that movie. Cap is quite arrogant in believing that he knows what is best for the entire world but Ross & co. are led by self-interest, too. There is no great answer to that dilemma because the UN‘s members are portrayed as essentially corrupt. So, why should our morally righteous heroes listen to them?

  • BanquetOfTheLeviathan

    The main thing that fucks up my emersion is when they have to over justify everything. It’s not an issue I ever have with the cartoons either. Doesn’t really feel like it’s respecting the material if you have to constantly justify stuff to make it more palatable for lame no nonsense type people. We shouldn’t be attempting to please them with realism

    • BanquetOfTheLeviathan
      BanquetOfTheLeviathan 9 minutes ago

      @David Rigdon definitely which is why I'm disappointed that the MCU can't get me as hyped as kamen rider. i mean graphics and acting isn't so great but their hype formulas are chefs kiss.

    • David Rigdon
      David Rigdon Hour ago

      You can do whatever you want in live action too. Ever watched toku?

    • Maze Da Great 757
      Maze Da Great 757 Hour ago

      I think that's probably due to the fact that cartoons don't have to explain themselves because it's animation you can pretty much do whatever you want, For the MCU, I think in their mind this is a fairly realistic world with the mythical characters so You probably had to justify a number of stuff in order To make people believe or see how things work I'm probably overthinking this or don't know what I'm talking about but this is mostly what I get from some of the stuff they do

  • WhoDatBoi
    WhoDatBoi 2 hours ago

    I think basing a large part of your argument on Civil War was a mistake as it's neither lampshading nor spotlighting. It's an adaptation of the Civil War comic that intentionally explored the idea of how accountable superheroes are held and how accountable they should be held. It was never intended to deflect any criticism or create ironic distance but rather delve into it (whether or not it was successful is up for debate). Also the Accords did have an effect somewhat as those that didn't adhere to it were arrested or on the run while those that continued to be superheroes being the ones that were for it (plus some had to do certain acts of heroism in secret in order to avoid violating the Accords) Even with your discussion on hypermasculinity and violence I don't think the clip with Bucky and Steve Rogers was an attempt to create ironic detachment but rather a subtle commentary and critique on choosing violence over diplomacy.

    • WhoDatBoi
      WhoDatBoi Hour ago

      @Pillar of Garbage I'd say the the only part of that scene with Ross that felt like lampshading was showing the clip of Hulk causing debris to fall on civilians as that felt like addressing audience criticism of unaddressed collateral damage that was en vogue at the time due to Man of Steel. But I wouldn't count Civil War as lampshading as there didn't seem to be an attempt to deflect criticism or create ironic distance. I say this because the film went a step further and tried to have a thoughtful discussion on it. Following the Ross meeting the Avengers have an actual discussion about signing the Accords and the ramifications of doing so along with their personal philosophies on their duties as superheroes. Also the groundworks for this discussion were laid in earlier films; heroes existing above the law was set up in Iron Man 2 (the opening courtroom scene) and the ramifications of unchecked power (the Avengers criticising Stark for creating Ultron and Vision). All in all I don't think (with Civil War at least) that the intent was to stop people from talking about how accountable the Avengers are but rather to have some discussion about it. Edit: Also even the Avengers hinted at the team not having diplomatic freedoms with Steve Rogers trying to instruct the cops who initially ignored him (indicating his authority was recognised) only to do exactly as he says when displaying his power and capability as a superhero by saving them from the aliens.

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage Hour ago

      Regarding your points… can’t it be both? Plus, CA:CW is a fairly loose adaptation of the comic - and even then, in the comics, pre-Civil War, there existed charters and treaties giving some diplomatic grounding to the actions of the Avengers. The Ross moment I’m making such a fuss about here - the way it confirms no such accommodations existed prior to CA:CW - that’s not a beat from the comic, it didn’t *need* to be in the film. Including it was a choice unrelated to the source material, and a choice which I think can be read very easily as the MCU lampshading it’s own vague politics, and PMC-type, internationally-minded Avengers.

  • dracone
    dracone 2 hours ago

    A while back, Legal Eagle actually covered the Skocovia Accords from a legal perspective; go watch his videos; they're actually pretty interesting. But regarding the Accords, to summarize for those uninterested in watching someone talking about laws in a way that is more accessible for the viewers on X-vid, he says the Accords are terrible and would definitely not exist in the state we see them in the MCU because they actually disregard a lot important international and domestic legalities that a legal charter of that nature needs to take into account and navigate to some degree, he even goes on to say it's clear the Accords were never reviewed by anyone with an actual law degree, just something writers decided to put up with some terms that sound like would be found in a legal document; basically, the Accords we saw on screen were never sent to a legal department of any kind before brought to the where we saw them on-screen. So there are two main ways to interpret this, 1) the version we saw in the MCU was actually a rough draft and was going to later be sent to a legal department of some kind after the meeting, which is kind of stupid when you think about it more than 5 seconds, or 2) the people responsible for the writing up the Accords were incredibly incompetent at their jobs, which is not something you want happening with a legal document with as much significance and weight tried to make given in the MCU; either way, it doesn't look good from a legal perspective. And to my knowledge, the Accords themself were never lampshaded, which means the people responsible behind the curtain and camera were unaware of their little hiccup or were aware and decided it really didn't matter because changing it to be more legally official wouldn't really change its narrative impact on the MCU, which is something that I personally find more than a bit problematic; either way, it doesn't look good for the film team for the MCU when it comes to the Accords. Sometimes, you need to look at things from a different angle to see the problem or much worse the problem is than it did at first glance.

    • Brendan J. Smith
      Brendan J. Smith 44 minutes ago

      This makes me really happy because I was ALWAYS against the accords and was 100% Team Cap all the way. People act like the battle is about who your favorite character is and which team has the coolest members and it's like no, that's idiotic. It's not about who you like more! It's about what's right!

    • David Martinez
      David Martinez Hour ago

      In the comics, I'm pretty sure the Superhuman registration act was only supposed to apply to the US, and the various superhumans in the US.

  • Marianne Darrow
    Marianne Darrow 2 hours ago

    Good vid👍

  • C.S 33
    C.S 33 2 hours ago

    SUPERMAN Is literally the same ARCHETYPE OF JESUS which is the SOLAR HERO or SUN OF THE HEAVENLY FATHER. Anyone who knows about comparative mythology know SUPERMAN shares the same archetype as GODS AMD HEROS such as HORUS, DIONYSUS AND HERCULES. These characters are solar heros and messiahs in their relative stories. I think the analysts should study this aswell as ASTROTHEOLOGY to understand why superman is depicted as such throughout media

  • Gaiden Castro
    Gaiden Castro 2 hours ago

    Would that make Into the Spider-Verse Lampshading: The Movie?

    • Maro Cat
      Maro Cat Hour ago

      Its a spiderman fanrvice in th best way possible, an miles is both , not peter which is good, though i like middlage crisis peter , and its a good sincere story. Lambshading can be one right too and not distract.

  • DopebyMania
    DopebyMania 2 hours ago

    Great video. I also wanted to point out that you nailed the pronunciation of Lagos. Almost everyone I've seen pronounces it as Lah-gos.

  • Pillar of Garbage
    Pillar of Garbage 2 hours ago

    I feel I should just clarify a point I make in the video - rewatching it, I should probably have been a little clearer. What I mean at like 5:27 ish is that until Civil War came out and Ross said this line, the MCU had never suggested that there wasn’t some sort of post-SHIELD diplomatic treaty with the UN or a similar body (as existed for years in the comics) legitimising the Avengers’ international travel and operations. The result of the fact that there’s no explanation given before this point, say, during AoU, is simply a sort of unconscious head-canoning on the part of the audience that there *is* an explanation here, just not one we’ve been given. The moment we see the Ross moment, though, the moment Civil War was released, Marvel Studios tear up this understanding, and canonise the fact that there is no explanation - retroactively making what we’d seen previously a much bigger deal than we’d assumed it to be. In this case, lampshading has superficially deflected disbelief in criticism, while *actually* making that anticipated criticism objectively correct - when before it was not.

    • MrBazBake
      MrBazBake 41 minute ago

      Maybe it was a criticism the writers always had and wanted to address? In AoU, Whedon responds to Man of Steel by having Cap say no one will die and spending three minutes saving a car. Then Markus/McFeely rolled their eyes and pointed out in the very next film that he dropped Sokovia on everybody and no one cared. I think fans may have justified their casual acceptance of Avengers-level violence against humans and mass destruction as the Avengers just being "that good," but the observation that this is problematic may have always been the honest reading and the studio could have become self-aware. It's also important to note all of this stuff is in the comics. The Avengers are the American superhero team. Canada has Alpha-to-Gamma/Omega Flight, Japan had Big Hero Six, China has SPEAR and the Collective, the UK has Excalibur. This is is more directly addressed in the superhero arms race of The Ultimate Universe pre-MCU. Marvel always asked and answered these questions. Even the Garth Ennis comic Fury is about Nick Fury getting angry that the United Nationd wants to take over SHIELD, an American spy agency with questionable jurisdiction.

  • Kh fan
    Kh fan 2 hours ago

    Nice video keep it up 👍

  • Ben Wasserman
    Ben Wasserman 2 hours ago

    How long do you think we need to wait until people start claiming Kevin Feige is under Kathleen Kennedy’s influence? Because for so long we viewed him as god-tier showrunner. And now… how fast they turn.

    • Funny Steve staring at you haha
      Funny Steve staring at you haha Hour ago

      @Maze Da Great 757 Criticism and negative opinions aren't a bad thing

    • Crystal Customs
      Crystal Customs Hour ago

      Kathleen Kennedy has nothing to do with marvel

    • Maze Da Great 757
      Maze Da Great 757 Hour ago

      That's pretty much been the norm from the MCU nowadays, ever since the aftermath of Endgame; people have been done nothing but cry about everything

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 2 hours ago

      something something M She U

    • Khanh Nguyen
      Khanh Nguyen 2 hours ago

      When Kevin Feige start allowing Kathleen Kennedy onboard

  • TSD Talks
    TSD Talks 2 hours ago

    Iron Man after watching an entire planet get massacred by frost giants: "what is this, lord of the rings?" *The other avengers laugh as a civilization crumbles around them*

    • Daelen.C Clark
      Daelen.C Clark 57 minutes ago

      @David Martinez They’d never sink that low.

    • Daelen.C Clark
      Daelen.C Clark 57 minutes ago

      Isn’t that what Vought’s doing with their movies?

    • The Republic of Historical Fanatics
      The Republic of Historical Fanatics Hour ago

      Based iron man

    • David Martinez
      David Martinez Hour ago

      No, there would be a laugh track and then Sheldon from Big Bang Theory would show up and say "Bazinga"

    • Ben Wasserman
      Ben Wasserman 2 hours ago

      To be fair that’s like a Wednesday in the first few pages of any comic relaunch

  • Harry Price
    Harry Price 2 hours ago

    Second! Best thumbnail yet

  • SkepticalAristotle
    SkepticalAristotle 2 hours ago

    First!

    • Pillar of Garbage
      Pillar of Garbage 2 hours ago

      @SkepticalAristotle Congratulations 😎

    • SkepticalAristotle
      SkepticalAristotle 2 hours ago

      I recognize that this is a worthless stupid comment but still I’ve never been first to comment before. Let me have my small win

  • BanquetOfTheLeviathan

    Well that’s just a bit disrespectful ininit?

  • Jamie Million
    Jamie Million 2 hours ago

    Lol both are fake characters who cares 😂

  • LfunkeyA
    LfunkeyA 3 hours ago

    nah, if anything he should be more like jesus.

  • Liv Scott
    Liv Scott 4 hours ago

    Weirdly I think that the original Superman; an anti-authoritarian champion of the oppressed, is far more close to a Jesus analogue than later versions. Canonically we see Jesus lose his shit in the Temple Whip in hand, causing a fracas, he attacked the merchants in the Temple area (Matthew 21:12, Mark 11:15-16, Luke 19:45, John 2:15) and get very testy with those who don't automatically agree with him. in fact the contradiction between violence and non-violence within The gospels and revelations as well as the representations of Jesus portrayed by various religious groups for their own agendas is in itself a direct parallel to Supermans journey through the decades. Although I do very much agree that Moses is a far closer match in terms of symbolism. Subscribed! This was fascinating.

  • E Torres
    E Torres 5 hours ago

    I love this show. The art style was so good

  • Jared Cardenas
    Jared Cardenas 5 hours ago

    29:17 Yes.

  • Jared Cardenas
    Jared Cardenas 5 hours ago

    24:11 That you're wrong? No, I agree with you but this is the best rebuttal.

    • Jared Cardenas
      Jared Cardenas 5 hours ago

      In the sense that as products of God, both Satan and Jesus come from God, that Satan was like a prototype?

    • Jared Cardenas
      Jared Cardenas 5 hours ago

      24:52 Exactly! Kryptonians are not humans or jews.

  • Jared Cardenas
    Jared Cardenas 5 hours ago

    22:18 LOL Now I'm comtemplating the contradictions or loophole of kryptonite and new origin that might increase the relevance of yellow sun's radiation. Think, kryptonite could still be a useful plot device I guess, but only if away from yellow sun instead.

    • Jared Cardenas
      Jared Cardenas 5 hours ago

      Elsewise isn't Superman not technically a cancer spreader? Wouldn't he be deadly like Dr. Manhattan to humans?

  • etzool
    etzool 5 hours ago

    I see why you would want to evaluate this on its own terms, but it doesn't really exist on its own terms. A reasonable writer wouldn't say "hey, I'm writing a story about these characters other people created and people have been writing about for years or decades, and it's on you viewers to only remember the parts of that I liked." It's ridiculous. And I think the fundamental problem with these adaptations is that they just refuse to pull stories directly from the comics in favor of cobbling together quick, easy set pieces. It's worked (i.e. it's been profitable) so far, and as long as we keep saying "well let's judge it on its own terms," it'll keep working. I don't think this is going to help push the quality of comic book adaptations.

  • Jared Cardenas
    Jared Cardenas 6 hours ago

    19:55 Really fair, nice videos.

  • miles Morales
    miles Morales 6 hours ago

    Spider-Man