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Jaime has kind of forgot that he once sacrificed his honor to save 500,000 people.
Hw saved thousands of life but they called him kingslayer
@Vesten ziRnis Man why the hell are you ignoring freaking Constantinopole aka biggest city in the medieval world? During 11th century Constantinopole had estimated population around half milion. And Kings Landing is capital of entire realm just like Contstantinopole. Look up demographics of Istanbul in pre republic times.
@HuntingViolets it wasn’t. In the show it is stated multiple times that it’s a million people.
500,000 is outrageous for a medieval city. For context Venice (one of the most important cities in the late medieval period) didn't exceed 50,000 inhabitants until the industrial revolution.The entirety of France (easily the most populous country in medieval europe discounting the HRE) had maybe 15 million people living in it until the 18th century.
@Tyler Love No that's just how it was back then especially if you're a member of something called the "kings guard." Loyalty IS honor. Though I think most would forgive Jaime if they knew the truth the real question is would they believe him after a life of lying and debauchery?It would be like a secret service agent taking out the president because a decision could cost lives. If it was permitted under law people could start making all kinds of justifications. If the king intended to start a war would it not also save lives to take him out? What about certain economic policies that would leave some people starving?If law and honor said "you can't kill the king unless he's making a decision that would kill people." The kingdom would devolve into chaos as king after king is assassinated.
ironic how Jaime felt he couldn't explain himself to Ned Stark - the one other person who understands how it is to throw honor away to save an innocent person
That’s something that honestly bothered me about Ned.
At that point, ned wasn't aware about his sister and her child. You can say what ned had to do was a kind of punishment for cold, judging look he gave to jaime
well, he subsequently threw Ned’s kid away, sosorry i had to
@Jed Malig lol. Just take the L
No, Ned Stark was too proud, too "honorable", he doesn't care why anyone does anything, only what they do. He doesn't empathize, he doesn't reason, he judges cold as the ice in his heart and the Ice in his hand. Even if Jamie told him why he did it Ned would never accept it, never care, to him honor and the like is worth more than anything else accept maybe family, which isn't an exuse for Jamie because Ned hates the Lannisters and thinks they should all be put to death. That's my thoughts on the matter.
There’s actually foreshadowing in Shrek 3 for Jaime’s death. Charming stars in a play that mocks Shrek and a tower falls on top of him, foreshadowing Jaime’s death 12 years before season 8.
Not just that, the foreshadowing was 4 years before season 1 was even aired. Truly visionary from D&D
Oh god oh fuck!
GoT has been trying to tell us how Jaime will die all along with subtle hints. Back is S1E1, Jaime pushes Bran out of a tower... what is that tower made out of? Yup... and that isn't the only time. I dare you to count how many times Jamie has been in a building and he is literally surrounded by his killer. Quite genius by D&D really.
Every brick in Westeros patiently ploying and scheming, biding their time to strike
Bravo Vince. Wait, wrong show
The SASS. ✨️👍✨️
oh I thought you were talking about Stoneheart for a second ngl
@I Liked Google Plus LOL-maybe by a falling tree?
I bet Nikolas Walder-Casteau was crushed when he found out how it really ends.
@Neolexious Neolexian You couldn't find worse writers for this. Damn in this world idiots get positions they don't deserve.
@Neolexious Neolexian what cunts. Thanks for this since I will never see anything that will be touched by their shit filled hands.
to know the ending for so long without being able to warn fans of it must’ve been weighing him down….kinda like a brick.
@Derp Herp ppppppp
Jaime is so kingslayer, that he tried to kill the king 8 Seasons before he became the king.
@devin reese who had a better story than Bran?
He did it for love, he loves killing them
@Extrage damn. you're not so smart boy
@Random People you dont get it 'aren't you?' ??????
The fact that Jaime is still completely fucking terrified of Aerys more than ten years after he killed him is one of my favourite parts of his character.
@Abdullah Altuwaijri I kinda know what he means whenever he recounts the event he has the thousand yard stare, I always remember what he said to ned"burn them all"
How is he terrified of him? I never got that impression can you elaborate?
@Concept SAME LMAO
For some reason I read that as "Arya".
I'll take "murdered by the writers" for 1000, Alex.
im dead lmfao
Oooh. That comment won't land anymore
sign on my forehead that says "fanboy4life" for 1000, Alex.
What is rocks?
You can tell Martain writes like a “gardener” the whole series feels like it’s always just growing and growing, almost coming to this grand crescendo
D&D are the locusts
Yet never finishing, because there's too many different plants that he's not sure how to harvest into one nice meal
I really hope that in the books Jaime's story doesnt devolve back into loving Cersei again. I want hin to stay on his path to redemption. I know ASOIAF isnt really the happy ending type series, I at least want him to stay on his path and not run back to Cersei.
He will definitely go back to her lovingly and then end up Killin her. The valonqar prophecy refers to younger brother of cersei which is actually jaime and not tyrion
@Karl Wittenburg wait, has GRRM dropped some big news? I'd assume we're still decades/forever away from the final two books dropping.
I got some bad news for you mate…
Nikolaj, Coster and Waldau did a perfect performance! What an amazing team work!
To be honest, I had major problems telling the three of them apart...
“I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act.” - Jaime Lannister
@Kushagra Agrawal The kindness he never did was getting Tyrion a prostitute, Tysha.Tyrion is so fucked up, that he loves his brother for that gift, even though it went the way it did. Probably cause no one else would have got him laid, I guess.
@Kushagra Agrawal He wasn't the one who put the toilet seat down, but he took credit for it.
@Kushagra Agrawal same question. I think he might be referring to Tyrion
what is the kindness he never did?
“Jaime learns from Brienne’s example” Writers: lets subvert some expectations!
What an terrible ending to Cersei and Jaime... Killed by debris.. 🙄🙄
The bricks were actually metaphors for....like...uhhh...stuff.
Sir Debris of Redkeep, houser of Kings
was a bit of an anticlimax, let's hope the book give a different ending......when they are actually finished, probably not before the sale of the DVD's has died down.
@dopey monk the cast was perfect, but the script is dumb
Dark Wizard It’s was one of the worst deaths in the entire series. I don’t even count euron, since he’s not a character but a walking shitty plot device
Turns out it was bricks all along.
No, it was his love for Cersei that killed him because he did many crazy things for her. So he had to die for her in a ridiculous way, too. But he could also have cut himself or punched himself to death. Because he punched people in the face.
why do people hate this ending? it didn’t come out of nowhere. it was foreshadowed in almost every episode since the start the show. there are bricks in the background of season 1 episode 1. you were all too arrogant and blind to see it. it was a stroke of genius
To this day it baffles me how people on the internet come up with better ideas than the actual show runners
I think Jaime will become the new Night King, 'cause why not? It would fit perfectly in with the other horrendous illogical writing.
It was so obvious that Arya would kill the night king, because D&D always made the worst possible choice lol
There is no Night King in the books so no
*Of ths show
While Jaime kinda forgot about red keeps bricks..
Johnny N. A perfect subversion of our expectations. In the worst way possible!
4:37 I have an idea: Maybe the reason why Ned resented Jaime wasn't because he broke his oath, but because he secretly wanted to kill the Mad King himself. I believe that when Ned entered the throneroom he wanted to kill the Mad King for murdering his father and older brother. But when he entered the throneroom and found the Mad King dead, he hated Jaime for taking his revenge away from him.
Ned crossed the city witnessing horrors committed by the Lannisters, which he already despise for waiting until the last moment to join, only to find the Lannister kingsguard sitting in the throne with the king's blood in his sword smiling and making snarky comments... I mean, it looks like something Tywin will plot.
@Yiding Liu Also if you looked at it from Ned’s perspective, what Jaime did appeared opportunistic. Jaime was silent throughout all the madness and the Mad King’s burnings, and then suddenly just when the King was losing the war-he opens the gate for his father to massacre the Mad King’s people. Obviously, Jaime didn’t know his father was going to do that, and of course we know that Jaime was silent not because he agreed but because he was struggling to reconcile his honor and doing the right thing.Both Ned and Jaime struggle with honor.
Not saying it's definitely untrue, but as someone over the years of waiting who has read the last 5 books to the degree of recalling some parts in whole, I find not a single line of evidence suggesting this. Ned hate Jaime for breaking his oath and dishonouring the King's Guard, which is a point made perfectly clear in book one in his thoughts and discussions with the King and Selmy. And it was intentionally and repeatedly mentioned that while Robert hated the King and Prince with obsession, Ned never shared his view. Ned longing to kill Aerys just is not a natural conclusion one would reach from reading his POV chapters.
Nah he was mad because Jaime was sitting in the throne waiting for him. You have to think that by the time that part was written Jaime was still a villian and wanted the throne for himself.
@Away With The Faeries yeah imagine Ned anticipating catching his father's and brother's killer, like he was right there, probably thinking about a big trial and maybe even serving justice himself with Ice, so righteous, so perfect, and then just finding Aerys dead, unceremoniously stabbed in the back.
The contrasts surrounding the women around Jaime are kind of interesting. For all Jaime's talents he's kind of submissive towards women and while Cersei drags him to darkness, Brienne turns him into a better man.
the directors in season 8 really watched this video and said "how about bricks?'
I'm so, SO happy GRRM didn't go with his initial idea for Jaime. He's my favorite POV. I'm a sucker for bad boy redemption stories
All women are suckers for that all the time lol
It's kind of hard for me to judge Jamie too harshly for pushing Bran to his death.I mean can you imagine what Robert would have done to him and Cersei? Let alone Cersei's children.Remember, this is the guy who defended Tywin's slaughter of the entire royal family!
Well he could have resorted to bribing said child instead of trying to kill him. But yeah Robert would have killed Jaime, Cersei, the kids, maybe even Tyrion and Tywin. Robert is a violent obsessive drunkard after all.
Little random thought: what if Azor Ahai is more than one person? I remember hearing that different cultures in this world have similar accounts of whoever saved everyone from the long night. What if Jaime, Jon Snow, Danny, and a bunch of other important characters contribute to the quelling of the Others? It’s certainly more fathomable than one Christ-like figure, and it would lead to a much bigger payoff for the Song’s most important characters than what we got in the TV show. What if a bunch of people, evil or good, save humanity from what lies beyond the wall?
Jaime and Brienne's relationship is probably one of my favourite relationships in fiction.
Okay so funny story
omg i love you channel! i can't believe you watch alt shift x
I think Jaime also had a troubled relationship with his father giving how opposite they are in personality. Tywin is strict realist while Jaime is an impulsive idealist.
D&D watched this video and said “lol NOPE”
@Nabinoor Shahil I'll forgive D&D when they stop being narcissistic assholes and acknowledge that they ruined something that millions of people deeply cared about for Star Wars money (which didn't even end up coming to fruition by the way) and genuinely apologize for it, until then I have no sympathy for them.
@Nabinoor Shahil they should be shunned from the industries forever. the only redemption is when they fix their damn mess.
@Nabinoor Shahil if they lost interest in it why not let someone else continue it? HBO offered them 10 seasons , Martin said there was enough material for even more than that. So why not step down and let others continue it if you dont care about it anymore instead of ruining a show so many ppl cared about.
Come on guys D&D did ruin the show and they clearly lost interest in it and no longer wanted to take responsibility for it but their is no need to show this much hate towards them. They did mess up but just let it slide.
@Chris MCMLXXXII H A C K F R A U D S
Jamie is my favorite character in the series and his ark is so dynamic and beautiful. I'm so glad he's still with us and I hope there's a happy ending for him. He deserves it.
Yeah, funny story-
Lady Stoneheart is going to take him out
ethereal _ a Look at me! Nothing else matters!
@AddieIX oh I watched the episode the day it came out and I was so sad lmao
Hehehe...you're in for a surprise then👍
Jamie is one of the best characters of all time. Not just in fantasy, in the books he is so real and you really get to understand where has come from and why he has lived his life the way he has.
*Jaime kills Cersei. At that exact moment, Jon Snow arrives to the scene.**They stare at each other.*-Jon: "Queenslayer!"-Jaime: "Ah FFS!"
"Ahh shit here we go again"
Even better than whatever D&D thought of.
I would quit life at that point
Just like eddard aye
Kingslayer queenslayer and kinslayer all in one person...
Great outline! My theory has always been that Jaime has been on an arc to redemption. If you picture Jaime and Cersei's story arcs as two circles connected but moving in opposite directions, then where they connect and complete the circles is where Jaime will have to kill her to complete his redemptive arc, because he will have arrived at redemption as she arrives at complete depravity.
How demoralising would it be for someone to meet their heroes and join their ranks then see their heroes not only turn a blind eye to evils done by a man they swear to protect but also get chastised by others for going against this way. I really feel more for Jaime than I thought.
I had finished Storm of Swords and started Feast for Crows some time ago. I remember how surprised I was by the way Jamie's personality developed and improved. He really became honorable man. He called Brienne "wench", yes, and was awful to her, and than he changed. He later insisted on others to call her by her name and to respect her. I actually started liking Jamie Lannister. Great video, thank you!
yep Jaime one of best developer character in the series, also feast is amazing book
Wow all of this is really compelling, a character not based around magical adventures and defeating a great enemy but by defeating the grief and sorrow within to become a better person. A slower burn of a character that would have the ability to reflect back on himself and change how people see him through his virtues. Well nevermind then.
Brienne and Jaime have one more thing in common - they were falsely judged by their peers - Jaime for Kingslayer, and Brienne for Renly's murder.
Aka both were labeled as kingslayers as renly was a king
@Niranjan Rajesh he could of done it any time but chose to do it when his father was among the people who would be effected
Jaime wasnt falsely judged. No one tried to prosecute him because of his reasons to kill the king. They despised because he killed the king,not caring about why he did it
Jaime wasn't falsely judged because it was his choice to never reveal the details of Aerys' death. The only evidence was that he killed the king he'd sworn his life to when it became obvious he was going to lose.
Technically he did kill the the king
"Over 5 books and 7 seasons he turns into someone much more complex than even the author imagined"So true in such a horrible way
I've never hated a character so much and then later loved a character as much as Jamie. The development of Jamie's character is one of the best things about Game of Thrones imo.
His story will end heroically, most likely in a sacrificial way. And I wouldn't be surprised if very much like how he was born into this world with Cersei, that he will be leaving with her as well.
Didn’t realize “murdered by little brother” translated to “crushed under a burning castle” D&D made too much money to be that ignorant with the show.
Maegor's Holdfast is the little brother of Red Keep because it was build by Maegor the Cruel, a younger brother. It all makes sense and the signs were there for us all to see.
Masonry - the natural enemy of the Lanister.
Have you met many stonemasons my lord?
Jaime and Briene are also both accused of killing the king they were supposed to protect.
Jaime killed the king he was supposed to protect and brienne didn't 🤷♀️
Crushed by rocks together with cerseiYeah quite disappointing
@Chris MCMLXXXII Prophecy is bullshit. Even in the books.
@Meghna Saha I have read the books. I am reading them again right now, I am on Book 3 just after Rob beheads Rickard Karstark.
@Chris MCMLXXXII but Jaime doesn't do half the bad things he has done in the show.... Don't wanna spoil the books for you but thanks to Lady Stoneheart being alive he has to face other shit than run for Cersei's errands. Him realising what Cersei truly is.... It's a different reaction than what was done in the show. It's okay that he didn't kill Cersei because she didn't even do all that much in the end but loving her back knowing she just sees him as her own extension? Is George gonna go so meh? Damn it we needed more screentime It's a shame because NCW is a good actor he could've pulled it off if they put more into it.
@Dante A. yeah, not really. The main plot threads from the books are all there except for Young Griff and the Dorne storyline. Well, there is a bastardisation of the Dorne plot. Sure, a few other things left out and a few other things added but they didn't stray too far from the books while they had them. Lots of the main dialogue was basically lifted right out the books. Season 5 is where it started to go downhill. Season 6 was bearable, Season 7 was a disaster and this season is just utterly pathetic. The writing is utterly risible.
@Chris MCMLXXXII well, his books are different. only on book three as of now but I believe the tv scripters changed things around
Jaime really feels more like a Stark than a Lanister. One who would have been an ideal knight but circumstances would never allow it. I think a good description of him is a Stark who was born into the wrong family.
He's the only character that has gone through such a big transformation towards a better path. Brienne also brings his best sides out! Can't wait to see what the last season holds for him! Great analysis btw, watching your videos is always great!
I remember when I was like you!
Oh you sweet summer child
It hurts to read this now...
Oh, you sweet summer child ...
the comment thread aged like fine wine.
I'm watching this in 2020 pretending like S8 never happened 🥺
The author said that the book endings will be very different
that's the only sane way to do it.
To be fair to Ned for judging him, Jaime did decide to sit on the iron throne right after killing Aerys, which is how Ned found him. Probably not the best move.
I think we have to remember that it was Cerci's idea that Jamie join the Kings Guard.I'm not so sure this wasn't planned on her part, after all as you have said Cersi wants power. If Jamie can't inhert and she kills Tyrion then she gets it all.
I love Tyrions original story line, aware of the incest between Jaime and Cercei and wanting to make amends for the horrors they have unleashed on the Starks, as well as the horrors Cercei and his father did to Tyrion growing up. Switching sides to take revenge on them as well as Casterley Rock by force is amazing. Not the last bit though, where it says he tries to take down his brother. Honestly that sounds alot better than fleeing East, to aid Dany in my humble opinion. In fact Tyrion fleeing North with his wife Sansa after the death of Jofferey and them falling in love would make more sense than him falling in love with Arya.
I wish that GRRM would explore the fact that Jaime was protective of Daenerys's mom in the books, would add an interesting dynamic between them in the likely event that she returns to westeros.
And If G.R.R.M makes R + L = J Canon by the 2nd time in the books, imagine how would Jaime, feeling guilty for failing in protect Rhaenys and Aegon (and I believe that Young Griff is actually a Blackfyre), alongside with the entirety of Westeros, react after discovering that Rhaegar Targaryen, The Last Dragon and Lyanna Stark, The Maid-Wolf, the 2 people 100% directly and indirectly responsible for Robert's Rebellion, had a child?
From an emotional/ internal perspective I think Jaime has the best arc in the books (he is my fav character so I may be biased) and can't wait to see where his path of redemption goes. If he isn't killed by Stoneheart of course. Part of me thinks that it would be one of the biggest wastes in the books so far if that happens so therefore it won't, but another part says this is aSoIaF and nobody is safe. Who knows, maybe we'll find out what happens to him in a year or 2... or 3... or 4...
4:50 I love that both examples are from Jamie's perspective. Knowing what ned did with J, he probably would be able to understand better than anyone what sacrificing your honor to do the right thing feels like. But Jaime wouldn't know, and so wouldn't believe that reasoning with him would get him anywhere.
Your analyses cut deeper than Valyrian steel.
it's a shame the series ruined one of the most interesting characters
I know, I was so excited for his story arc. Couldn’t wait for the final redemption of someone I once hated....but......well...... you know.
I remember watching the first seasons after reading the books being hyped about Jamies arc, look what they did to my boy, GOLDENHAND THE JUST WILL ALWAYS LIVE ON!
They ruined every character.
He would’ve been my #2 redeemed character under ZUKO if they went the other route of killing his sister.
Jaime is a male Sansa in my mind. He's a boy who thought the songs were real and found out other wise.
@Rahul Kashyap In the books Arya was Roose Bolton's cupbearer at Harrenhall, tywin wasn't at Harrenhall plus arya killing tywin would've been completely from the show
@Rikkiwentshoppin arya fanboy spotted,deluded as they come
@Rikkiwentshoppin Arya was a kid, she didn't know how things worked in the capital. She would've just gotten herself killed by guards and had her head on a spike.
@Mayank Bisht she wasnt 12 in season 5 onwards
@Pecoliky She was naive, what do you expect from a 12 year-old girl
As bad as the entire last season was, I will never forgive how they completely negated Jamie's entire redemption arc within one episode for... well I'm still not sure what their motivation there was. At least that will never happen to Jamie in the books and he's actually on track with becoming Goldenhand the motherfuckin Just.
Out of every single character, all the cool characters, Arya, Tyrion, Jon, or Dany, Jaime is my favourite character in the entire series. In both show and book, Jaime is my absolute favourite character. To me, he has the most interesting and realistic character-arc, and his personality and narrative is so fascinating, especially his justifications for his early personality. I love how he never loses any part of himself (well, except for his hand), but grows, instead.Also, Jaime is absolutely going to kill Cersei. It makes more sense, and is more GRRM-esque.
Aerys was obsessed with Joahnna. Jaime and Cersie could be his kids. Think about her wanting to burn the Sept/maybe city with wildfire.
Jaime is the most interesting character in GoT. He's shifted from what looks like a chaotic evil character to more of a chaotic neutral character. He's been the character to really watch through the whole story. He has no magic, he's missing a hand, and he still manages to survive. Fascinating to watch.....
Most overated character in game of thrones
No, the most interesting character is Bran Stark, or should I say Three eyed raven
He changed a lot after he met Catelyn Stark and Brianne of Tarth
So true. He's the cripple. Tyrion the dwarf, Jon the bastard...these 3 indeed. You never really know a character, or a person till you get to know them. He also happens to be entertainingly funny & raw. I know readers dislike the pace of Jaime in the Riverlands...but it's foundation text building him back up from dispair.
andromidius Yeah, I always thought, Jaime wanted very much to be the good guy in the story. He's just failing so bad... Even when he himself thinks, he's on the right track (like not killing tully's), he's still technically on the wrong side and still evil in everybody elses eyes.
What a great character. I hated him when I read AGOT. By the end of ASOS, Martin had won me over. I'm really glad he (GRRM) let Jaime's character grow. One of the great accomplishments of the books.
After the bath scene with Jamie and Brienne- where he tells her he wishes to die in the arms of someone he loves- for some reason I thought he will die in Brienne’s arms. That was re-inforced when he gave her his sword at Riverrun- and they silently waved farewell to each other as Brienne and Pod rowed away. That made me cry. I still think that they will end together- and I am looking forward to episode 3- but dreading all the goodbyes that are coming. Having said that- GRRM doesn’t do cliche, and constantly surprises us with the unexpected.
I always thought the notion of Azor Ahai being a single figure was somewhat misguided. The great light-bringer always struck me as a group of people whose actions had been mythologised and warped to be the deeds of a single person. The fact that so many possible candidates exist may be more than simple misdirection, but a technique to typify that turning back the 'dark' i.e. climate change, falls to multiple people.
"tO bE HoNesT i dIdNt CaRe aBoUt tHeM"
" yOu'rE muH quEEn " , said Jaime..bRicK rAiN!!!
"i DoN't WaNt iT"
ThE tHinGS i dO FOr LOve
"D"umb & "D"umber
i love a good redemption story, jaime is easily one of my favorites.
I found that a lot of the reader’s perception (or at least my perception) of Jaime in the first few books is hugely coloured by the POV characters’ own views of Jaime. Their prejudices against him become the reader’s. Not to say he’s a good guy, or that he doesn’t do bad things, but it’s not until we see his POV that we realise he’s not a totally irredeemable douchebag.
When they say that Jaime and Cersei will die as they were born: together, I think it is more on the spiritual level. Jaime was made by his father and sister. All his actions were made for her. He tries to rebuild his identity far from her. If he kills her, he actually kills them both, being reborn as somebody else. Somebody more honorable.Also, "choke her with his hands" is going to me hard with one hand left.... 🙄
Jaime's ending is utterly crushing.
It would be interesting to read about/see in the show a startling contrast to Jaime and Cersei's relationship with another set of characters who are male/female twins who are not sexually involved and would/could tell Cersei/Jaime that even the thought of doing so is disgusting without the fear of being violently killed by the Lannisters.The "opposite" female twin could have a life similar to Cersei's (being forced to marry someone she didn't love for political reasons, not taken seriously because she's female, etc.) but still made the best of her situation and proved herself wise and powerful in other arenas.The "opposite" male character could also have similarities to Jaime (priviledged, arrogant, locked in the chains of carrying on the family name), but fights for the "small folk" or the powerless.I've only read Book 1, so if there are characters like this in the other books, please forgive the lack of information on my part.
Out of all the characters, in the series, I cried for Jaime many times. I feel he has a warm heart & an intelligence, unlike any body else in this Godforsaken story. By the way, for an adult man trained as a soldier, to lose his hand is the same as putting him in a wheel chair in the medieval times. You need two hands to ride a horse !! That’s just for starters. ~ As for making good for his misdeeds, he was living in complete alignment with the times. This is not 19th century Europe during a time of peace. People were brutal in those times, because LIFE was brutal.
In the books, when he thinks about being known as Goldenhand, that shit got me fucked up man. I love this character so much and it surprises me how much I want a fictional book character to be well.
Great, well-written video! I like your analysis of the themes. Too many videos miss the themes of GRRM's writing that propel his plot and character development.
One of my favorite characters..... such a great redemption arc......until season 8. If the books ever finish, I'd love to see what GRRM will do with him.
Jaime gets a sword plunged into his stomach yet somehow manages to walk all the way to Cersei completely fine, then dies with her crushed by rocks.
I actually really like Jamie's arc ending in the classic "tragedy" trope. Theon was our redemption arc. I don't like how the show did it.... but I think when done correctly a tragedy makes sense.
i think Queenslayer is like the only theory i am 100% thinking will happen but man, i just don't want Jaime to do so if there a way for Queenslayer to happen without Jaime dying i'll take it.
7:00 Actually, in the show Jaime uses his left hand to push Bran, not his right hand. Yes, I'm a nitpicker.
In order to reconcile for his past he needs to face it directly, and where Kingslayer once represented the backstabbing manipulative nature that Jamie once had, it will now represent a man who silences his selfish desires of love and passion to be able to do right by everyone in the realm by slaying the person who threatens it the most. It's kind of obvious when you thinking about it.
Honestly one of the best videos on here. Jaime is an intense and deeply troubled character and you did exception breaking him down and analysing him.GRRM isn't known for realistic writing. Sure, the show will satisfy its viewers and ratings by installing Jon Snow as Azor Aahai, but it would be incredible if Jaime turned out to redeem himself by being the hero against the Long Night in the book series.Bravo my god sir
I think if Jamie was Azor Ahai, that would a perfect end for his character. Jon Snow is too obvious, but I’d struggle to fit Jamie to the requirements of the prophecy at the same time.
Briene brings out the man. Cersei beings out the monster.
@hawksasuke97 didn’t happen in the books
@hawksasuke97 I take it you've never heard of codependent relationships?
@hawksasuke97 He didn't do that in the books, though.
@jo kell ...hum... you sound like a genius. ..maybe that is why she hired someone to kill Bran!
snappy She literally said “he’s a child! 10 years old. what were you thinking?” So you do the math Einstein. Jaime himself said they could have easily outsmarted Bran in other ways besides killing him so Cersei clearly meant something other than murder, genius
Seeing this, just makes me more disappointed with season 8 D:
@Nocturnal Recluse 6.... Gosh I wish it was 8 some hope we might've had, instead of 15 minutes of Arya surviving things she's not supposed to and ride off a unicorn
@Nocturnal Recluse true. I wish they made more episodes with shorter lengths, I feel like it would space the information out a bit and the character development would probably make more sense.
@Abbie Campfield + Well, that's what happens when you rush through the grand finale. What did you expect from 8 episodes?
@Nocturnal Recluse they literally ruined 7 years of Jaime's character development...
Stop crying. It's not that bad.
This is the character that got me to fall in love with ASOIAF. A Storm of Swords is still my favorite book ever, more than a decade after I first read it. I've read hundreds of books since then, but it's still "the one".
It's hard to be truly upset about it because I don't take series 8 as a legitimate series. It was a summary. It was so bad I cant take it seriously because 90% of the characters did a total 180 to the point that they were unrecognisable.
It all makes sense now, he tried to avoid casterly “rock”. Cuz he knew it would be the end og him😂😱😱😱
Could him killing his sister be him "dying" so that he finally completely gets over his past and is a changed man.
"It's easier to play the villain than to face the pain of old trauma. To grapple with gray morality and the shame and guilt of failure."
This video is so well researched. I am in awe of you. You should've been the writer for the show, not Benidumb
You can easily understand he is the best written chaacter in the series just by watching this video.
Amazing video on my absolute favorite TSOIAF character. Although there are few things missing here and there, I understand that length is of essence. Thank you very much! 👍🏻 Thoroughly enjoyed!
He was killed by some falling debris.
Chris MCMLXXXII bonked by a brick.
random wandering theory (after watching several of your videos): Berric transferred his flame to Lady Stoneheart. Maybe she'll transfer it to Brienne (who was hanged?) with the order to support Robb's decree that Jon must be the new king in the north (since Stoneheart hates jon too much to honor this wish). But Brienne will ditch this honorable mission and instead of transfer the fire to Jaime (who was also hanged?). And then Jamie will head back to Cersei. Only to find Cersei died crying after her last kid killed himself (as the kid did in the show). Cersei drowned in her tears. So Jaime will fulfill the valanqar prophecy by holding Cersei's throat in his hand(s) while transferring the fire into her. Thus Cersei becomes undead queen, and the prophecy of how she'd die turns out bittersweet.
Question:I just rewatched part of season one. Cersei tells Catelyn about the son she lost to Robert Baratheon when she came to visit Bran after his fall... I don’t think she lied based on the producers comments/ insight after the show. I had forgotten this... it important bc ...Maggie the frog tells Cersei as a child she will only have 3 children (which she has 3 with Jamie & 1 with the king). There are all these predictions on how Cersei will die in season 8 based on prophecy being true so far ... but it’s not true bc she did have 4 kids, not 3. She claims she is pregnant in S7 but who knows if she is lying or not yet.Thoughts?
You are a genius. The way you analyse these characters is really thought-provoking and shines out George RR Martin's brilliant mind. "Jaime's real war is within his heart" Couldn't have put it better myself, what a brilliant television character. I didn't realise the full complexity of Martin's characters before watching your videos. Thank you
At least we still have the books
and now they got butchered by d&d
ShankShark ever watched Preston Jacobs ?
i think the ending of jaimes arc in AFFC is my favourite scene in the books. He's just forced once and for all to reckon with the real conditions of his life and accepts cersei and his father for who they really are, and himself for who he really is. That moment of huge personal significance coinciding with the coming of winter, and particularly with his flinging open of the window to let in the snow (symbolism? maybe) just makes it even more powerful.
I still have hope the books do him justice.
Absolutely like his story was written by a clever quill --- then finnished in brown crayon.
His story is still left unwritten. D&D showed their true nature after they ran out of source material from the books
Jamie has always had a tough time reconciling the fact he's a decent human being (even if he does bang his sister) and the fact he's a Lannister. He's done right by people in the past. Interesting to see how he handles the latest pickle in which he finds himself.
I reckon, Jamie gave Brienne 'oath keeper' for the purposes of killing Cersi. He told her the story of the mad king and the fire. Prob because he knows Cersi is power mad and going a little crazy. And if she does he could not kill her - but Brienne being the protector, she would kill Cersi to save the Kingslanding.
These videos are great. In the show, has Jamie killed anyone since he lost his right hand? When he pushed Brandon Stark from the tower, he used his left hand and Brandon lived.Maybe Jamie can only kill with his right hand.He needs the gold right hand to kill his sister.
Jamie has to be my favourite asoiaf character, his ending in the show was so underwhelming though.. I had hoped that Cersei would have been the one to go mad queen and that he would be faced with another “burn them all” scenario, saving the city again but being forced to kill the one he loved this time .. have it all come full circle with him being ultimately the main hero of the story ..then perhaps have him hold her body, weeping while Dany destroys the red keep .. a tragic end for a tragic character but hey... having him and Cersei get squashed by rocks was good too right?.... right?!?
The show is fanfic beyond S6 or thereabout
Ah, the honorable Ned Stark, one of the leaders of the rebellion, traitors against their liege and king, among those that condemned thousands to die, accuses Jamie Lannister of breaking his oaths by killing the king he and his rebellion came there to kill. Not that Ned and the rebellion weren't justified after the brutal murder of his father and brother for no real reason, but it certainly wasn't as compassionate an act as Jamie's deed. Though Jamie did not move a finger to save the innocent Starks and the realm from the subsequent war you'd expect - because back then he'd actually have risked his own life. Understandable emotions all around, but none as just and decent as they think themselves - judges others much harsher than themselves.
Jamie has the best story arc of any character. You do not get that vary often where you absolutely hate that guy but toward the end of the story you have a lot of respect for him. That's what I like about got almost none of the characters are black and white. Most are grey area. They are just people. There are a couple, Ned stark is your typical "good guy" or "protagonist" the hero honorable man. Then you have guys like Joffrey Lannister we all know he is a Lannister not a Baratheon. Those are a couple characters that it's pretty cut and dry and clean Joffrey's an evil a****** Ned Stark is sort of the hero good guy man of Honor. But most of the other characters in the show with the exception of the boltons are just people they're not good or bad they're just people they're capable of doing good things and they're capable of doing horrible things George RR Martin has done a very good job of that of these are just people