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Get a free audiobook with an Audible trial: www.audible.com/asxThere's a heap of detail and plotlines that didn't fit into this short video. More Dune videos coming. Plus House of the Dragon and ASOIAF!
Pronunciation Note: Siona is not "see-oh-na". There's a line in one of the later books that points out that it actually sounds extremely similar to the name of the later character, Sheeana, which suggests that the "Sio" is pronounced "Shuh", as in the Irish name Siobhan.
@Xanaxensual's father You're kidding, right? These books have been out for 60 years.
Why did you spoil the plot with the thumbnail?
Are you not doing westworld this season? Wait for season to end?
Paul falls in love with Liz Cheney?
I know that Dune is an incredibly deep story, filled with complex worldbuilding and it has inspired countless storiesBut I can't help but burst out laughing every time Duncan gets resurrected
He's obviously a Cylon.
@Fluffy HellHound that was my thought originally, but I think his rebelious nature and ability to think for himself was something that Leto cherished. His grand plan was to supress humanity until they craved freedom enough to stand up for themselves. Duncan had that free-thought yo
It was always there. I don’t care how you’re educated, the human computer mentats were always fantastical
The 1984 was, of course, trashed by the critics. Didn't do too well at the box office. Nonetheless, I've always liked it! Considering that there was no real CGI in those days, the SFX are not horrible. The music of course was amazing!
It is my personal belief that Frank Herbert, in his youth, fell deeply in love with a man from Idaho named Duncan, and he never got over it.
😆 😆 😆
Maybe he just liked both Duncan Hines cakes and Idaho mashed potatoes and decided to use both to name a character
he wasnt a fag.
Michael sear aka duncan
More like in his youth he fell in love with shrooms and lsd
I would never have believed that anyone could have summarized all the Dune books in just 12 minutes. Well done, well done!
Our Host here, has an excellent Radio/Broadcast voice! So he makes it entertaining and interesting!!!
I started watching and figured it was 2hr video lol
“The Dune sequel books get weird.” Well put!
I love how Dune as a series continually overturns itself, to the point of being an entirely different beast in different eras. Messiah was a response to Dune, Children of Dune is a very, *very* different tone and then God Emperor is really like no other novel I can think of. Herbert took a lot of risks just being experimental and creative and crammed in so many ideas that I feel you benefit as a person reading and applying a lot of his ideas to real life, or at least understanding how others use conditioning and power.
@valar The story of Dune ends with God Emperor. The Golden Path succeeds; humanity is saved and grows to near infinite capacity.While I enjoy the last two books, they were a strange divergence that started telling a completely different story from the first four books.
@Wafaa For sure. He wrote plenty of books and short stories between the Dune books and he hadn't lost his touch. He lost the plot specifically with Dune.
@Brandon Butler Depending on your tastes you may even find Foundation superior.
@valar i feel like if he had more years of writing maybe he could have finished the saga and start something new with mor cohesiveness
If only his ideas in the later books could have been matched by the increasingly bizarre and sluggish narratives.
Dune, even in its heroic first novel, has tinges of something sinister on the horizon. Paul can see the war in his name, and willingly believes he can avoid it but every move he makes pushes it closer, not further. Frank was never a fan of the conquering hero so he wrote within that framework but always hinted that this course of action was wrong. From it being known they were exploiting a set up religious prophecy, that was deliberately set up for the soul purpose of being exploited, to Paul's arrogance that he can subvert the coming storm. The book even ends on a sort of down note. Paul is Emperor but no one is rejoicing. He took the throne out of petty revenge afterall.
Avenging the death of your family and friends and hundreds of others is hardly "petty".
@Brett Adkins I would ask anyone interested to read the first four books (up to God Emperor, i.e. the best one of the saga) since it completes the story of the Golden Path.
@Dashiell Gillingham "Supervillian" is a strong word to use. He's more of an antihero (appropriately so, since the first book follows the "hero's journey" narrative).
Emperor killing his family, friends and legions of troops is not petty, that is a major reasons to seek revenge.
And he is Emperor of the "known universe". Space is huge. "That's why we call it space," as Carl Sagan said.From the moment I read that banned groups could flee into the galaxy outside the empire, I knew there was something more going on, something being ignored.
Learning about the whole series as a whole, it now makes sense to me why the Dune books often don't make it beyond the first book in film/series adaptations. The first story seems like a classical hero's journey that has revenge, heroism and becoming an emperor leading a proud warrior people in the end. The perfect hero fantasy so many people like. Then the sequels promptly deconstruct that and show it for the pathetic idea it is. Paul's story shows us how the hero's journey likely WOULD pan out for most people (answer: poorly) and that makes us uncomfortable.
"You either live long enough to become the villain or you die fighting for something you believe in." - Twoface from The Dark Knight.
I recently finished the 6 original novels and I just have to say, wow the art in this video is fantastic. I loved seeing the different interpretations of characters. Nayla, the Duncan ghola, Hwi, and Siona were especially great. Cudos the the artist(s). I also just have to say that going through the major plot points make these books seem a lot more readable and exciting than they actually are haha.. but again as you said, its about the ideas not the plot.
@Robin So Frank's "extensive notes" required Marty & Daniel to lie to each about being Face Dancers because they were actually robots invented by different writers two decades after Frank's death?I don't care if you lie to yourself, but don't lie to others. There are no "extensive notes." That was just something Brian said to try to give his "fanfic" novels more relevance because the fans were tearing them apart with all the inconsistencies. The sequels are not "worth the read". They are awful hackery along the lines of Disney Star Wars or Amazon's Rings of Power.
@The Can of Nothing You arnt missing anything. The next two books leap ahead to a totally different and unresolved plotline that dont seem to have anything to do with the first 4, and the writing style descends into all kinds of silly 80s tropes that are at times painful to read. The sex witches with perms in leotards under neon lights? Its bad.
@tde02021 Yup! I just finished God Emperor, and I think I'm done. The plot points are interesting, but I can't sit through a full read anymore. I'm fine getting the rest of the story through videos like this one, or just reading Wikipedia. The first book, however, I've read a few times over the years and have always enjoyed it.
@Robin bruh those were not extensive notes, they spit on the ideas of Frank. Very bad books.
I love that it ends with the tribute to his wife. Because for me, the Dune series is a story of love and how love is one, if not THE, thing that makes us humans.
It's funny that people think that. So many animals feel and demonstrate love and devotion, yet we insist that it's something that isn't just a part of our experience, but something that makes us special, or at least a differentiating factor. It's touching, in a way. We want the emotion we see as good and powerful to be what makes us who we are.
@Fredrik I accept what you're saying. I still think the series is too nihilistic and that there is not nearly enough grace and compassion - and love - in it for my taste. The examples you listed are pretty much it in six books. Fremen society in Dune is absurdly, irrationally violent. Kill off your best people in stupid fights? Why? What a waste, especially when you're already battling an existential threat. It's not until the very end of Dune Messiah that we get emotions other than cold calculation. The rest of the book is a nasty slog. Paul is an asshole. I know that's the point, but even so. The God-Emperor sacrifices himself to free humanity. That's a remarkable moment. But the rest of the book is kind of sterile. And the result of his sacrifice is pretty horrendous in the short term. Like, dear god, Frank. Cut us some slack! Duncan and Murbella aren't star-crossed lovers as much as they are sexually addicted to one another. Frank's letter at the end is beautiful, but it's not part of the story. I didn't get a sense of much going on between the two characters at the end.I love Dune, but it has its flaws. It's my personal preference, but I would pick the often-compared LOTR over Dune as a balm for the soul any day. It's a reflection of the very different backgrounds and personalities of Herbert and Tolkien. One thing that strikes me is that Herbert never saw combat in WW2, yet his books are graphically violent. Tolkien saw combat in WW1 at the Somme, one the of the biggest battles in history. He did not write about violence graphically. Neither did Robert Jordan, who was a gunner on a helicopter in Vietnam. Perhaps it was because they had actually seen war that they could never write about violence the way Herbert does.These are just my thoughts and if you disagree I certainly am not going to be offended. Art is in the eye of the beholder after all.
@valar ofc there are tons of other ideas explored, these are mostly my initial surface feeling after have read them, but its the one that resonated with me the most at the time
@valar yeah, for me Alia becomes mad because of lack of love, paul does what he does at the end of book 2 out of love, leto II realises love is what makes us human after alooooot of time. Jessica and Leto I do what they do out of love. Best Duncan Idaho, aka Duncan from book 2, is torn from love. And ofc it ends with star crossed lovers, Duncan and murbella. As well As the letter from Herbert to his wife
I always thought there was not nearly enough love in the Dune universe. I actually think it's a key failing of the series. Everyone is a power-hungry monster and anyone who isn't e.g Kynes is killed off. This universe has many highly developed human minds, but all done in the service of power and domination. Whereas we see that all of the sophisticated 'inner technology' techniques in our world have all been put in the service of cultivating love and wisdom - e.g. Buddhist meditation, Christian mysticism, Sufism, Advaita Vedanta Hinduism, native American use of psychedelics.
I love that Dune is celebrated as this visionary science fiction masterpiece with a cohesive, detailed universe and believable, iconic characters - and also includes absolutely wild, out there sci fi concepts in the sequels. Zen clones, worm men, super speed, millennia-long schemes - but it's all somehow believable and consistent. At least the Frank Herbert novels. It's tragic he passed before finishing his last.
@Slop King did you just call me a pinion man!? Fucked up bro.
@Anton Mochalin interesting, vaguely middle eastern Muslim-relevant stories. Some neat stuff in the very expansive Dune universe for sure . I see a new upcoming miniseries / film potential there certainly
Eh, the last two books I felt werent very good. The writing style gets bogged down with 80s cliches and there isnt really any sense of where the story is going, it feels mostly like two huge books of distractions and wrong turns. Compared to the first book in which every word feels perfectly placed. God Emporer probably comes closest to bringing back the feeling of the first book... But the last two already felt like someone else was writing them or that Herbert just wanted to cash in on the buzz around the movie.
And then his son came and ruined it
At least he has a reason why the final book wasn't published. George R Martin only has the excuse of money elsewhere instead of finishing the Novel series
I don't know if you're aware, but the picture of the plant you used when you describe the vegetation of Arakis is Portulacaria afra - a South African plant that's used to rehabilitate overgrazed arid areas and exceptionally good at carbon storage and promoting rainwater infiltration. A coincidence or a nice nuanced touch.
@MRHOUSE things just are.
Fitting that the Portulacaceae...the Purslanes...being such a succulent xeric loving and thriving plant...that it would be one of dominants in colonizing this new habitat...along with Euphorbiaceae, Cactiaceae and xerix non-epiphytic terrestrial Bromeliaceae.
I think that’s a shot from the 2021 film, in the ecological station sequence?
Nothing is a coincidence
I feel very strongly that if frank Herbert had more of an interest in honing the plot of his work into a more consistent and cohesive narrative it would have done a lot to bolster and flesh out his philosophical and existential ideas
@Chibi Papa Nurgle Same here.I I think a lot of people stranded somewhere in children of Dune and never bothered reading Emperor , heretics and chapterhouse.
@Peter Hansen, is that the book that ends with the ship telling the people to decide how they will worship it (ship)?
I highly suggest reading some of his other books. Free from the expectations of Dune fans, he produced some really brilliant books. For example, The Jesus Incident, about an insane colony ship AI which uses an entire world to explore its Lamarckian fixation is brutal, well-told, instructive and incredibly thought-provoking.
The narrative not being cohesive is a mirror of the Dune universe. Each successive book is a rejection of what came before. There is no overarching story of humanity. The best we can do is lay the groundwork for as much diversity and randomness as possible and then get out of the way.
As much as I like the universe & really enjoyed the first book, I couldn't focus at all on the 2nd and 3rd. All the talking about possibilities of the mind and dreams really drew me out. I enjoyed the plotting and the action, limited as it was. I get why people enjoy the existencial ideas in it. I hate it.
It should be noted that the Fremen have a tradition of banishing those who've lost their sight, among other defects, into the sands.And that its only because of his powers that he was able to keep it from happening as long as he did; i.e. his being Emperor, the religious leader of the Fremen, and especially his prescience that allowed him to see despite his lack of eyes.But even in the end, it seems by the will of the universe as with Paul's, he is unable to go against the rather barbaric customs of his Fremen despite it not even having any bearing on him. Paul is not weak, and he can see better with prescience than any of his Fremen, but to persist is to go against the culture -- the brutal culture that surely helped in his conquest of the universe in the first place.
@ryougishiki This, and it was the beginning of destroying his legacy to free himself from it.
@FDRpi More that of perfect physical form over all, since other parts go mutilated at various points (Like Justinian II losing his nose)
And it's noted that by going into the desert to die, that by his willingness to live, and die, by Fremen custom, he basically bought the Fremen's loyalty to his children.
What's also interesting is that that was a tradtion in the Byzantine Empire (at least the value of being sighted vs. blinded).
“The emperor commands that you stop reading after children of dune”I remember having my mind absolutely blown away upon discovering that Dune had sequels when i was younger. I seriously thought it was only one book! So glad i read them all, despite some being better than others. I absolutely believe that, if brian hadn’t have taken over due to his death, that frank would’ve made dune have a sad or tragic ending if he was still alive. Good vid as always shift
Brain hijacking the Dune universe IS the sad and tragic ending.
God Emporer of Dune is one of my favorite books of all time. It is incredible. The horror of it is just intense.
Frank Herbert's Dune was critical of humanity but an important point is hope for humanity and our ability to change and adapt. I think Dune 7 would have had a hopeful ending and be about humanity's evolution.
Personally, I feel like he never would’ve ended dune if he lived forever. To me dune feels like the story of humanity and how no matter how many problems we solve there’s always something on the horizon. Always something to work toward or struggle against. Always charismatic leaders with good or bad intentions. Always factions plotting against each other.
I finished God Emperor of Dune several months ago and I'm still not sure if it was the best or worst book I've ever read, maybe it's both lol
It's been decades since I read it, so I can no longer defend my position or really remember why I came to it in the first place, but God Emperor was my favorite of the entire series that I could bear to read. (I think I petered out a little ways into Chapterhouse.) Ideally, 12-year-old me was a literary scholar, but that seems unlikely in retrospect.
If you’re not sure, does it matter?
God Emperor is probably the best Dune book in my opinion
It's about the sacrifice he made that gets me. The tragedy of that makes me love the book. I've read it many times, with the other books. You can't get better than Frank Herbert.
Love it or hate it, the God Emperor is one if the most intriguing characters to be found in any series, ever.
The characters did, indeed, “get away”, only to be captured by the evil Brian Herbert who, through the powerful magic of his hack writing (and that of his even lamer sidekick Kevin Anderson) enslaved them all.
I know I'm in the minority but I like the "final" books, except for the cascade of deus ex machinas at the very end. But the Daniel/Morty stuff at the end of Chapterhouse (by far my favorite of the saga) was just weird and out of place.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. His "conclusion" to his father's works was a slap in the face.
I used to work in a bookstore and when people asked about the Brian and Kevin books I would tell them to read them because they would never read anything that bad again.
If you don't mind me making a suggestion: How about you look into Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Everyone who talks about it tends to focus on the Shrike and the Time Tombs and while the Shrike is undeniably a great monster, there is so much more delicious worldbuilding in these books. There are tree ships! Spaceships that are real living trees! How's no one talking about that? Also for being first published in the early 90s, there is a very interesting depiction of the virtual world and AI. Not to mention the politics and the time travel and the poetry and so on.
Seconded, I also think there’s enough crunchy thematic stuff to make it worth properly exploring
those first two books are probably my favourite sci-fi novels after dune tbh, though I'm not fussed on the two sequels
@hhjhj You may enjoy "In the Court of the Crimson Kings" by SM Stirling - The Crimson Dynasty uses genetic engineering and organic tech for *everything* including medicine and guns.
These are great books!
@hhjhj Absolutly. I love that sci fi is shifting in a more green, more solarpunk direction. Today the radical idea is a hopeful future, lol
Just have to give a quick shout-out to my boy Stilgar... could've killed Leto as a baby but didn't... couldn't help but feel deeply melancholic and sad everytime the "museum fremen" came up in god emperor... my thoughts always went to stilgar and how he would've cursed them! Often overlooked character imo
Stilgar, Moneo, and Jessica are my favorite characters after Paul
It's interesting how so many fans think that Leto II's Golden Path will save humanity even though a huge theme in the series is that you should be wary of powerful and charismatic leaders determining the fate of entire societies. I would not be surprised if Frank would have let the Golden Path end in a huge disaster if he had been able to finish the series.
No you missed the point.Leto II was an example. Basically Frank saying "OK yes, in a few extreme circumstances an all-powerful tyrants ends CAN justify the means."
The golden path seems to be intended to become basically all Tomorrows lol
You say that like part of the golden path wasnt meant to condition humanity against powerful and charismatic leaders.
Leto had the power of prescience. he sacrificed his humanity to save humanity from an existential threat. i don't know how you can doubt the golden path. the golden path and the powers and perils of prescience were the entire point of the series. that's like watching game of thrones and saying you don't think the dragon's really existed.
“It’s interesting so many fans believe something in the story that Herbert made the central theme for four books, tee hee. Wait, this is Reddit, right?”
I love all these books immensely and this was a great video! But hearing the story summarized sounds like I’m on the most terrifyingly vivid acid trip I could ever wish or not wish to encounter lol
@Gold Tiger kind of the point. A distorting mirror/series of mirrors held up to humanity's past and possible distant future.Definitely not 'space' SF. Don't expect to read the books after Dune to get a better understanding of the 'world' of the Dune universe, as l did ,because it doesn't work like that. You have to take this 'world' as it comes,full of 'historical' gaps. May be read them as ' legends' , with large chunks of philosophy thrown in as well. Then you won't be disappointed
@Christopher Carrillo sounds pretty similar to reality
@Patreeko Time I think 5-6 are setting up for the final book but the author passed and I think his son and another author tried to “finish” the story but prolly just did it for the money. I think the storyline does start to become choppier around the 5th book but I enjoyed it nonetheless.
@Gold Tiger pretty existential but as “scary”/nerve racking as it can get, the payout is worth it for me. The moments of triumph or even the bigger themes and analogies of the story are great.
You're missing out on fantastic literature if you skip dune 1-6God-Emperor,Heretics and Chapterhouse are gold
Regarding the latest movie adaptation: I'd love if Dennis Villeneuve's "Dune" would be turned into a roughly 6-8 movie long series that ends with the ending of the 4th novel "God Emperor of Dune". Maybe even with a small twist to make it more ambivalent and open-ended. Was Leto's "Golden Path" the right decision - or is the lesson not to blindly follow and trust ANY powerful leader!? I think that would be both a realistic (although very optimistic) and great take on turning these complicated stories into movies! :) The 5th and 6th novel are probably way to obtuse and weird for a broader audience.
@Will Mungas In the era of over the top super hero flicks this is not only an easy do, but you also have an audience primed to enjoy such things. The Worm is just Hulk Smash without the green skin. 🤷
My wish is that the movies are successful enough that they let him do God Emperor of Dune, just for the hell of it. Not even try to make accessible, the pure artistic exercise of adapting this insane shit.
@Will Mungas Children of Dune has definitely enough action to keep general audience attention. If they only made 2 of the trilogy, that would be disapointing.
I’m not sure the movies can make it through Children, to be honest. Too much psychedelic and mental stuff to explain in a concise, cinematic style like the latest “Dune”. Dune: Messiah is where I feel the books end without going too crazy, in a way adaptable to movie format. It also provides a fitting, tragic ending to Paul’s story, which I always found the best and most final ending of any of the books. I consider it poetically moving that his fate is to wander off into a storm in the desert to die the Fremen way. Personally, I don’t really like the books much after that, mostly because I find Leto to be a very difficult character to relate to. This is by nature, because having been spice-born he is essentially a blank personality ruled by his ancestral memories; it was extremely hard to connect with him, and I think that would be a major issue on-screen. He is, of course a fascinating figure and tragic when viewed externally, but I think the book God Emperor is extremely obtuse as it focuses entirely on his thoughts and view. If there is to be a movie for Children and God Emperor, the Children movie must develop Leto much more personally and be a little more grounded than the books (him putting on sand trout is cool but… leaping hundreds of feet in the air? Lifting multi-ton stone doors and throwing them? That was immersion breaking in the book, it needs to be toned down or removed from a movie). Leto must be older than in the book for it to work well; he can’t just be a child, it would push believability especially if the acting wasn’t perfect. The actress for Alia would also have to do very well for her story to work, with all the psychedelic stuff, but if it was it would also make for a good tragedy. The God Emperor movie, if made, may do best to focus more on Siona and Duncan, with Leto as the background villain to show how he has changed without going into all the gibberish he says in the book.I do believe Dennis Villeneuve plans to make Dune Part II and a Messiah movie, which again I think would probably be best because it’s a fitting conclusion for Paul. If the movies delve into God Emperor territory they will have to be exceptionally well produced to avoid incomprehensibility.Edits are for clarification
I admit, I'm disappointed this one is so short for the full 6 book series when the first book got an hour long video, but absolutely love seeing this channel cover work outside of Game of Thrones. Looking forward to the philosophy of Dune!
Go check out Quinn's Ideas, he's been making Dune content for years now and has long, in-depth videos on all of the books
I really hope he does an in-depth analysis of each of the six books. I'd love that
It's been over 20 years since I read the Dune sequels, and I only remember three things:1) that time Leto II covered himself in fish2) God Emperor was secretly the best out of the series3) The sentence "It could order him to blink, fart, gasp, shit, piss-anything" was in Heretics of Dune. I distinctly remember reading that, taking a moment, putting the book down, and thinking to myself "huh, well... that was quite the sentence I just read."
Completely agree with point #2.
@Jay Maker ...in his loins.
You forgot "adult beefswelling."
There's a lot of debate about what value or even meaning Leto 2's Golden Path was. Those that support him and like what his plan represented think that he and his plan were the best of all, terrible, options. But I maintain that, possible or not, the Bene Gessirit plan was superior. Leto's plan had two parts. One was to oppress people so entirely and for such a long time that a resistance to tyrants was imprinted on their souls. But as we know from human history, this doesn't happen. Oppression doesn't refine people or make them freedom loving. In fact, oppressed people build up so much anger and resentment that more often than not, once they break free of their oppression and gain power, they in turn oppress others even more. The second and more central part of Leto 2’s plan was to breed humans that were invisible to prescience so no future oppressor with the power of prescience could see what they are doing, find them and control them. The problem with this plan is that it doesn’t seem to improve the human condition, at best it seeks to ensure that at lest some portion of them have a chance to continue on in the same savage existence they have experienced for the past thirty or so thousand years. In contrast, the Bene Geserit program was not just to produce the Quizach Haderach and control him to control the universe. Their objective was not just control for controls sake. Their plan was to use that control and also the QH’s powers to guide all humanity and breed the savagery out of them. Remember, one of their great abilities in accessing past female memory was the capability of great empathy (even though they were ruthless in attaining their goals). And their motivation was not just to ensure the continuation of humanity but also to improve and refine humanity so that they were capable of organizing themselves into communities where oppression was not the norm due to the quality of heart and mind of most or all of the individuals who made up those communities; including those in power. This is exactly the influence that we see of Christianity over a refinement period of two thousand years where the teachings of love and empathy found in both the Old and New Testament washed over people and generation after generation they began to accept the concept of human dignity and human rights. To the degree that, despite there still being evil in the hearts and actions of people, they even came to a humanity first decision to voluntarily end slavery; as well as care for all the poor, give women equal rights and even send vast amounts of their wealth to other nations and cultures to ease their suffering. So as much as people of the world are still very much flawed, Christianity has had a refining effect on them in the same way that the BG planned but failed to achieve due to their plans and group being steam rolled by a tyrant with a far more basic goal of just survival. That’s why I think the BG are the real heroic force in the Dune Universe. At least in their intentions. Whether it was possible to achieve their desired aim was another matter. And maybe Leto 2 was able to see that the ultimate, noble aim of the BG was not actually possible. But possible or not, I never really understood his disdain/contempt for them.
I really appreciate how in depth and accessible you've made all of these series, I've loved the dune series and game of thrones for years even though i mostly came to them through the movies and tv shows. I tried to read the Dune books when I was much younger (12-13) but it was a little daunting and i didn't manage to finish, you've made me excited to go back and try again now as an adult and I can't thank you enough for that
I know it's a minor point but I loved how the later books showed two other outcomes of the spice agony. The first showed what should have happened - basically Jessica cheated and avoided the deeply transformative essence of the Agony - and the second showed the cost of going through the Agony before you're ready. I was never happy with how it was treated in the first book - think of "Dogma" and how the last scion of Christ has the ability to turn water into wine. That''s just a party trick, one that totally misses the deeper significance.
I love the ambiguous ending with Daniel and Marty. An almost irreverent wink to the reader from a man staring finality in the face.
I spent several days driving across Canada back in June. To pass the time, I listened to the audiobooks for Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, and God Emperor of Dune. I only ever read the first Dune book before. I highly recommend everyone give the sequels a shot!
Very few feelings as of late provide as much joy as seeing a new video posted from your channel. I read this series many years ago and tried to explain to friends how wild they get but couldn’t explain it concisely and entertaining enough to keep them interested. I’ll forward them this video now that you’ve done exactly that!
Love this summary of the books and of course, A LOT is packed into a short 12 mins and thus, A LOT is glossed over and not elaborated on as that would take hours really lol. My favorite book of the saga is God Emperor of Dune hands down. Arguably the most complex book of the series and that's largely why I love it because it makes you think and has such useful parallels in OUR reality that can be helpful since we basically are immature as a species and may need help like this someday lol. Leto II as God Emperor is one of the most fascinating, if not the most fascinating character to me in all of literature, not just science fiction. He's quite complicated and even deliberately so, being portrayed as a villain sort of out of necessity even though he is actually a hero in his motivations n actions and ironically enough, aims to move humanity AWAY from depending on heroes and messiahs. Ah, just so amazing and interesting!
I came to this channel when looking up game of thrones lore. Ever since I can not help but dive into the several rabbit holes they decide to cover. Already read ice and fire. Already read dune. The expanse and west world and Raised by wolves I had never even heard of before but I Love thanks the talent behind this channel. Thanks Alt Shift X.
This video was a pleasure to watch as always, loved that you used artbreeder to depict the different characters too! I keep rewatching your first Dune video, this new video has definitely got me thinking of reading the books.
Well done. Some of the best, most coherent and straightforward explanations of the Dune Saga.👍
Dune is very interesting. It’s a book that really feels like you’re just an observer, like Daniel and Marty. The time jumps, purposeful lack of detail, and other elements take the reader out of story and minutiae to view each book in its entirety, easily seeing the themes and philosophy in each. Forest through the trees in my experience.
Your content absolutely rocks, my friend! I wasn't aware of these later books on Dune! And, I thought I knew so much about this story! I'm learning quite alot from you, & you're doing famously! Thanks for that!
Hey man I just wanted to tell you I really appreciate all your work. I've been seeing your videos since 2013 and the new Dune stuff is amazing. Don't know if you'll revisit ASoIF for House of The Dragon but I'll watch anything you put out.
i can only agree, his Videos are the bandage for my brokenheart
@Alt Shift X where is the Real Jon Snow video?
@Alt Shift X God love ya :)
@Alt Shift X 2:00 That's not Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohaim.
I never thought I would see a complete summary under an hour long, this was great. It's also a bit worrisome, no idea how Denis will be able to swing that many movies or if he'll even want to, but I'll be keeping my fingers crossed he completes his adaptation at least through Messiah. The first movie was beautiful.
Its surprising to me how much of "God Emperor of Dune's" plot and themes are reflected in S01 of WestWorld.
So glad you made this video, always wanted to understand the general plot of dune but couldn't face the utter maddness of the universe and lore
Your take on how Frank's saga ended was interesting and something I hadn't considered. I wish I'd seen it before reading Brain Herbert and Kevin Anderson's sequel to Chapterhouse. "Hunters of Dune." Let's just say I felt it lacked conviction, and read no further.
You should be glad to have spared yourself from reading the utter shitfest that was the sequel to Hunters of Dune. It's one of the most ridiculous wastes of trees that ever saw publication.
You forgot to mention that scytale carried within himself genetic samples of most of the main character along with the tech to grow them and that Duncan possessed superpowers. I've read all of the books and let me tell you some of them are a hard slog, let me put it this way I kept one finger marking the appendix at the back and would find myself flicking back and forth to keep track of who and what was going on. Chapter House read differently than the previous books the style was a lot clearer and the story easier to follow. I often wonder where Herbert might of gone next but all we got were the books cobbled together by his son out of left over notes
I love that genuinely uplifting interpretation of the series' ending, that's a new take for me
Something happensDune: Guess I'll resurrect Duncan Idaho
@MobileRDS huh? I was a teenager when spn came out, I watched every season?
It’s like that old joke about the show Supernatural. “Omg he died! …he’ll be fine. Give him a few minutes”
Great narration, far superior to just about anything I have ever heard on X-vid, including reading style, voicing, pacing, and of course excellent command of vocabulary and composition such that we get the message briefly but thoroughly. 12 minutes holy cow brilliant.
The latest dune movie got me interested in the books. Read the first one and just watched the 2000 miniseries. Your videos couldn’t have come at a better time
The miniseries is fantastic: better than the new Dune.
FYI: most people do not share the enthusiasm of the people commenting on here for the sequels. IMO they drop massively in quality and get really weird, sometimes nonsensical and obsessed with sex. You can tell when Frank was 'typing with one hand'.
Dont sleep on David Lynches Dune. Despite alot of snobbery about it, its actually a really great adaptation, which mostly suffers from being TOO literal. But the set designs, costumes, visual effects, and casting is much closer to what I imagined reading the books. And unlike the new movie, almost all of the dialogue is taken directly from the books.
@sinephase Why would you recommend those shit stains?
If you go through them all, I do recommend Brian Herbert's final 2 books that finishes the story and his prequels starting with the Butlerian Jihad and Machine Crusade books
i remember reading this book a couple years back, and i can definitely say :"now i remember why i didn't like them" they weren't for me
I'm not sure Paul's rule was a mistake, in that the alternative without his leadership is not better. Arafel was something at the end of most roads, including one without Paul's rule, as Paul talks about in CoD
Just fantastic. I've probably read the 1-6 series 5 times. This is a fantastic explanation that manages to do what I never could; avoid getting lost in the minutia.
I always, always gave up midway through the Children of Dune. I think I gave the series five-six tries, roughly once every 5 years or so, but the Children always get me.
Your straightforward summaries of the Dune novels do a great job of catching the essence of the wider story, esp. the bit at the end that Dune is more about the ideas and not the plot.The six Dune novels offer a bounty of interesting ideas - possibly the most fruitful offering in all of science fiction.
I love the ideas Frank Herbert brings to the modern world in his books. He is a wonderful writer who writes and speaks to all of his readers in ideas, themes, and possibilities.
I recall reading at least one prequal book about Dune. It explained the development of AI on earth causing machine wars with cool cyborgs and what not, which is why there was no AI robots in the Dune series. It also kind of explained the formation of the great houses and the Fremen on Dune. So what about those books? How can you talk about the Dune series and not mention those books?
Excited for more Dune things. Hope you’re planning a series for all the books cuz i’d listen to that!
I've been mystified by this and the last Dune video. I was never interested in the movie, and didn't know much about the book, but these summaries have been truly enthralling. Fantastical stories, mortifying concepts, thank you for making them so much more accessible.
@Ally Kaman Yeah, just like you
@Mbutta7 Aw so sweet
@Ally Kaman Goodluck with that.
@Mbutta7 I'm not sure, but I could try taking notes from you
@Dakao Do That would come down to a matter of one's taste and tolerance for preaching in addition to the style in which it is delivered. I feel the same way about Ayn rand's writing even if I do agree with her, she writes in such a heavy handed, clunky manner that it puts me off her work. But herbert's style just clicks for me.
I love Dune. Its a series i have read probably too many times haha. The last two books were somewhat drifting even though well written. You can stop at the God Emperor i think and call that the series. As for the new books written by his son, avoid at all costs haha. It will take everything you loved about the series and reduce it to a poorly written teen level book milking once detailed characters for all they are worth.
Read all of Dune at 18 many years ago, it really influenced me a lot. This is the very best summary I've ever come across. You are truly gifted
something I noticed in your description of book 2. "Paul walked into the dessert to die." Did he go out there thinking he would die and his premonitions were wrong? I've never thought of that implication.
Appreciate the shout out to lesser known creators like van gogh, man needs the exposure, criminally undersubbed
These videos got me into dune. I'm finished with the first one and already got 2 & 3 😁 It seems batshit crazy but I can't wait to finish the series!
you gotta do the prequels next about the robot rebellion! I love that we actually got books about that and its actually my favorite part of the whole story
Just finished watching Westworld S3 with your videos after each episode! Would you do season 4 please?
doing the same now, SO good - turned what seemed like unfollowable garbage into a masterpiece. cuz im not the brightest at watching things
You're the book mentor I wish I'd have when I was younger. Your videos and analyses are great. Thanks
This was a great and simple explanation of the main series. You should do the other books that continued on with Brian Herbert, his son.
Your last Dune video made me reread the first Dune book and it made it so much better now that I could really see what was going on and what it all meant. I would love a similar video for each of the individual books too but the philosophy of Dune also looks good.
He didn't really know siona was gonna save humanity, he tried to stop her rebelling and failed because of her genetic trait, he didn't know it was gonna be this way. And his death doesn't rejuvenate the worms, it rebirths them because he had made them extinct except within his body.
I know that they’re less good and not as popular, but I would love an explained on the later Dune novels.
“dune was never really about the plot as much as its about the ideas” i watched your video comparing the book and the movie before i ever read the book or saw the movie. i honestly wasn’t interested. but i watched your entire hour and a half video, and went out and got the dune book the next day. im now at the part where Pauls mind has awakened and him and Jessica have escaped to the desert, and i just LOVE IT! by this point, ive technically had all the books spoiled for me but it doesn’t ruin my enjoyment at all! its reading everything around the plot that makes dune special, the writing style the way, the characters are interacting, its a masterpiece of writing thats a joy to explore. i say all the time “i would have never read dune if i hadn’t watched that video first” and i recommend it to everyone who says they cant get into dune. because youre totally right, knowing the plot of dune cant “ruin” the experience of reading the books because it’s totally not about the plot, its about people. which i think is highlighted *perfectly* at the end of franks final published book. im so excited to read the rest of this iconic series for myself. genuinely thank you for getting me into it
Fantastic video as always, but this one in particular just felt stellar. Keep up the great work!
Wow this channel really has some nice insights into dune. Thanks for the content !
This video is great. I'd love a similar one for the Dune Prequels, though I may be the only person who wants it.
The Ideas of ice and fire X-vid channel has great summaries of each book. Highly recommend it and the creator has put in a lot of effort to make them.
Hmmm, I started reading the Dune books only recently and I started with the book that presents the events in the past. I am reading them in the chronological order of the events. I have finished the Butlerian Jihad and now I am 25% through The Machine Crusade. I think I am a few books away from finding the details of what you are presenting but from what you are explaining I understand that humanity will never get rid of tyranny in Dune universe. I want to say that Iblis Ginjo made me feel a wide range of feelings: from fear and hope to disgust and hatred. By the time I got to the events in The Machine Crusade I started to wonder. How the fuck can someone become so evil. The seeds were there, sure, but instead of evolving the way I hoped him to evolve he gone full evil and it reminds me of certain religious leaders IRL. Then we have Serena, the poor girl, while wanting to do good, little does she know that she is just a puppet for Iblis's power games. I swear, this man is infuriating.
I have been a big fan of the fist Dune for years. But, it looks like the new Dune is much more easier to understand. I like it so far.
I really enjoyed your insight into this series. I just did a search on your channel and didn't see this: I would enjoy your analysis of the Dune books written after Frank Herbert's death.
Love these books and the prequels his son wrote - amazing!!!
I feel like the last two books are almost unnecessary in terms of plot. If Herbert ended on God-Emperor, that would have been a good end to the story. He set up humanity as this open-ended bookend so that it was finally free from tyrannical and dogmatic rule. Heretics and Chapterhouse almost go against that build-up by still keeping us tethered essentially to Arrakis and other places we already know
@2fathomsdeeper But that's just it. That's what Leto had already accomplished. By becoming an even bigger tyrannical force than the Bene Gesserit, the Bene Tleilax, and the CHOAM, Leto forced humanity down the Golden Path by showing them what sort of stagnation they'd deal with if they didn't grow and expand. The fact that the last two books focuses in on humanity still falling under these factions' control, as well as the Honored Matre, negates everything Leto had done.
It showed the powers afoot in the universe that needed to be guarded against requiring the Golden Path to be put in place.
What an amazing story, great video. I love Herbert’s ending. Take note fantasy epic saga writers *cough George cough* THAT is how you finish a series.
What an incredible succinct summary of my favourite book series. Thank you.
Great video. I admire your work. I can only imagine how much time you spend making these videos. Likewise, I've been your sincere follower for a lot of time. Wish you more and more new followers.
I really enjoyed your videos explaining Westworld, are you going to make them for season four by any chance? That would be really nice!
Wow you really cut all this down well :DIf anyone is still intrigued by the five sequels, I can only recommend you the videos by Quinn's Ideas. He has masterfully done a feature-length video for every one of the Dune sequel books, so go check them out!
I read the series when I was 13 in a single summer. The philosophy of the mind was something I was very open to learning at the time. "Fear is the mind killer" has been like a motto to me. People who make emotional decisions, especially out of fear, often cause harm. We see it in the world today. Scared people vilify a perceived opponent. Like conservatives making up names for liberals. I believe making decisions out of fear shows a person is of low intelligence. Where did I get that idea? The Dune Series.
I just finished God Emperor over the weekend. Dune is a series that goes places you would never expect. Given a non-existent character in the first book - rich with great characters - is essentially the focus along with a clone in all the other books.
I really appreciate you doing this because I kind of had in my mind for more than a decade that I didn’t understand dune at all and it seems like I got the general outline correct.
Can't wait for the in-depth videos detailing the whole series!
Love how you’re getting into dune now. Keep up the good content
Saw the new Dune movie a couple months back. I'm curious how they'll adapt the next couple books, the sequels are quite different from the first book.
Whats the point of making a movie serie when there is No ending ?
Stopping after Messiah would be awkward without doing Children of Dune too. I don't see how you could make God Emperor into a movie but I'd love to see someone try!
@First Last yes, exactly. They've only agreed to do the first book.
@Merritt Animation If someone could do it, I'd put my money on Villeneuve and co. Granted, it'd still be really difficult.
@Araknas Can't blame him for that. Imagine trying to make God Emperor into a big Hollywood movie
As a ”dunie”, I can safely say this very nice and knowledgeable commentary.! Thumbs up and subscribed!
You make some of the best content on the whole of X-vid!Can’t wait for Philosophy of Dune.
Awesome overview!! I would really love something like for the wheel of time series!!
I remember trying to explain the books to friends when I was little...I didn't succeed. urs was very succinct!!😉BTW, I also love his Lazarus effect mini series!!😉
Thanks for explaining the couple on the farm. I love that interpretation. Brought tears to my eyes.
Yeah that is cool. Could explain why Brian gave them so much plot in the last 2 books.
I am glad somebody else sees the ending for what it is, the total freedom of humanity. I love these books.
I have been waiting for new dune content from you and I absolutely love this. U explain it unlike any other channel.
Call me a heretic, but I think God-Emperor shouldve been the last book. Its got a perfect ending and doesnt really require any sequels.
You are probably my favorite explainer on X-vid. Thanks for tackling dune
i like the fact u give a short and concise synopsis of the books in one video,good work!
I thought the ending with Daniel and Marty was "just" a massive cliffhanger. "Aaah, now I'll never find out". But the fourth wall explanation presented by you makes perfect sense. Thank you!
I have read all the Frank Herbert Dune books plus all the prequels and sequels by Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson. There is a coherent story arc that does come to a logical ending if you stick with it.
Love this. Please do the Expanse books! They are incredible.