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House of the Dragon S1E03 live Q&A discussion

  • Published on Sep 3, 2022
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  • jussts
    jussts 2 months ago +1811

    I loved killing the crab feeder off screen. It's like the show is straight up telling you to look for your series villain elsewhere, it's not this guy, it was never gonna be this guy.

    • ジョン・ピール・セッション
      ジョン・ピール・セッション 17 days ago

      I disagree. Karl Tanner was a meme mini-boss but his fight and the attack on Kraster's Keep was a good filler to demonstrate Jon's leadership skills and improving his combat finesse by learning to fight dirty.
      That being said, I understand that Crabfeeder was skipped because he's not a important character in the conflict and they cut out the confrontation to save screentime. I still enjoyed the Stepstones war for as long as it lasted through.

    • tha professa
      tha professa Month ago

      @DAMAGE CONTROL his nod to call enemies a million times got old

    • Hunter Garcia
      Hunter Garcia 2 months ago +1

      There shouldn’t really be Villains or hero’s in this series, just different shades of gray.

    • al north
      al north 2 months ago +1

      I thought everyone was already on the same page that there really isn't a single villain on this series. The villains and heroes r the Targherians them selves

    • BrimstoneVomit
      BrimstoneVomit 2 months ago +1

      Also, I didn't imagine Crabfeeder as being an especially competent fighter. Maybe at one point. But with grayscale (inert or otherwise), I'm left thinking he was more of a symbolic noble parading as a reaver. Him being cleaved in twain off-screen seemed appropriate to me.

  • Kebab kebob
    Kebab kebob 2 months ago +3274

    I don’t care what people say, the scene of the knight getting crushed by the dragon after thinking he was being rescued was hilarious

    • Twale_Da_DreadHead
      Twale_Da_DreadHead 2 months ago

      On baby I had to stop the video cus I was dying laughing

    • Kebab kebob
      Kebab kebob 2 months ago

      @Shinobi Firecracker Let's be honest, if you're leaving comments like this then it clearly isn't.

    • Shinobi Firecracker
      Shinobi Firecracker 2 months ago

      I mean, my standards for humor are above a five year old, but I respect you.

    • Ty Mic
      Ty Mic 2 months ago

      @burnsr92 j.....................

    • michael jordan
      michael jordan 2 months ago +1

      I never thought id see an Ottoman sultan in an Alt Shift X video comment section 💀💀

  • Nona Grey
    Nona Grey 2 months ago +2029

    Daemon would rather die than be sent aid and I absolutely LOVE that.

    • Nona Grey
      Nona Grey 2 months ago

      @Chosen Wizdom Why thank you!

    • Chosen Wizdom
      Chosen Wizdom 2 months ago

      You people are sick

      UKRAINICA 2 months ago +1

      @vonNeumann which fleet? i did only see burning valeryrian ships

    • Alex Tear
      Alex Tear 2 months ago

      @Nona Grey rerrrrrrerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreerereeeeeerrereereerrreeerreerrrerereeeeereererereererererrrreeeeererreeeereeeererrererrrereeeeeeerrreerrrreeeerereerreerereerererrreerererrereerreerrrrrerereerrrrererrerreerrererrereerrrerererrrrreerrerrerrreerrrerrrrrererrrrrrrrrrreeererrrrererrerrrerrrrerrrrrrrererrrreeereerererereeeeeereererrerrrreererrrrrereeeerrerererrerererrrrrrerrereeeererrererrereereeeerrerererrererrrrerrreereeerreerrrreerereeereeererrrreerreeererrrerreerreerrrrereereerrrrrereeerererererrreeereererrrerrereereererrerereeerereerrerrererrerererereererrerrerrrereerrerereerreerrerereeeerrerrerreeeeerererereerreererrererreereerrereereerreerrrereerrreeererrrereererrerererrreerrreeerrerrrerrerrreerrerrerereererrrerrereeerereeeereeerrereerererererrerrrerereeerrreereeererererrrerrerrererrrerrererrrerrrerereeeeeerrereerrrerererrererrerrererrereeerrerrereerrerrerererererrreerererreerererrerererreerereererrereereeeeerrerrrreereeerereereerrererrereeererereeeeeeereeerereeeeeeeereeereww

    • vonNeumann
      vonNeumann 2 months ago

      One thing I don't get is why didn't Daemon burn the Crab Feeder's fleet with his dragon. Leaving his army stranded on the islands with cut off suply lines and no way to move around. Can this be somehow explained?

  • Shubert Reads
    Shubert Reads 2 months ago +1234

    "The Pug that was Promised"
    -my favorite superchat (by Wealth Wolf)

    • Ousman Jallow
      Ousman Jallow 2 months ago


    • eriktatos
      eriktatos 2 months ago

      I’m dead. …The Real Rhaegar

    • secular monk
      secular monk 2 months ago

      Lion for merciless military might; stag for viril prosperity (self-sufficiency)

    • secular monk
      secular monk 2 months ago +3

      Here's another timestamp ... 6:45 ... I was perplexed as to why an animal that is HUNTED would be considered the symbol of royalty.
      Then it dawned on me that (in the Holocene), the stag represents the most meat that one could expect to find in the wilds of Europe ... It is abundance-on-the-hoof, with the added aesthetic of muscularity.
      A king isn't going to celebrate his bounty by associating it with caged cattle ... no, "catch me if you can"

    • Shubert Reads
      Shubert Reads 2 months ago +38

      @papapudding It was a 4 hour long livestream, how do you expect me to find that one comment?!?
      ...It was @ 3:39:32 😝

  • Smythe283
    Smythe283 2 months ago +806

    Lionel Strong continuing to be the realest person in the room.

    • Uttam Gurung
      Uttam Gurung 2 months ago

      @Hegan Tank ➿

    • peen
      peen 2 months ago +1

      @Jessjess23 Brooks never

    • SleazyG
      SleazyG 2 months ago

      @Jorge Chávez thanks thanks man I hope you’re feeling well have pppm polo I. I. B. You hij

    • Ousman Jallow
      Ousman Jallow 2 months ago


    • World Eater
      World Eater 2 months ago +2

      What kills me is that he gave Viserys some amazing advice, dude was too drunk to heed it tho.

  • Kaz Hack
    Kaz Hack 2 months ago +1394

    Viserys had the misfortune of being born a Targaryen, for all of his flaws he is the only Targaryen I would invite to lunch

    • Kpt.KirkWaffles
      Kpt.KirkWaffles Month ago

      @raven lingating I see you logic but personally I disagree morally I think your right there might not be a clear answer in my opinion but I believe everyone deserves the right to choose and it's a guarantee noone is going to choose that seasecion

    • raven lingating
      raven lingating Month ago

      @Kpt.KirkWaffles i dont think you can call that murder though. she was gonna die, with or without the cesarian. he just chose the option that has the chance of saving the baby. so either he let both die or at least try to save the baby, isn't that a rational and humane decision. it's tragic, yes but it wasn't made out of cruelty. :(
      laena valeryon's decision to get burnt to crisp, however, is something that is morally debatable for me. she was about to have child birth, and she chose to not save her baby. she was gonna die eitherway, and she decided to take the baby along with her.

    • Jacques Alexis
      Jacques Alexis 2 months ago

      @Michael Peck nnmmnh6 uh u y

    • James Aaron
      James Aaron 2 months ago

      @Whore of Dragonstone and Ned is behaviourally and ~ culturally Jon Arryn’s son.

    • sam habtu
      sam habtu 2 months ago

      What about baelor the blessed 😳

  • Lane Corbin
    Lane Corbin 2 months ago +771

    The convo between Jason Lannister and King Viserys was phenomenal. Paddy Constantine is simply amazing. Jason Lannister got scared as hell once Viserys pressed him 🤣 If only he could be that stern with everyone else around him and not be influenced so easily because of his kind soul.

    • Josef Kteich
      Josef Kteich 2 months ago

      Paddy Considine* but trust me, I made the same mistake

    • jude m
      jude m 2 months ago

      you'd think Viserys would clear up the issue with EVERYONE after Jason Lannister brings it up. Then again, he is in his cups at that moment. But it's what Rhaenyra is getting all her doubts

    • Pat Armas
      Pat Armas 2 months ago


    • TJ K
      TJ K 2 months ago +4

      Paddy was a great get for this show. Instead of waiting for this guy to die he's sympathetic as hell. He's a good King (as in kind), maybe not an effective one.

    • Trevor Winn
      Trevor Winn 2 months ago

      Loved it ! Asking him why he's not reporting treason and rebellion among his banner men 😂😂

  • Kings and Generals
    Kings and Generals 2 months ago +885

    My immediate reaction to Jason Lannister was "dude, Tywin would have hated your guts, you have no finesse whatsoever"

    • J V ELL
      J V ELL 2 months ago

      @raddy saddy smerdnykov

    • Chosen Wizdom
      Chosen Wizdom 2 months ago

      @Joe Mama pathetic comment


      Jason lannister was that squire in the first game of thrones, the one measuring the joust line for the hands tourney@😉😬well the tourney that the hand wanted no part of.

    • Ousman Jallow
      Ousman Jallow 2 months ago


    • B
      B 2 months ago +1

      @Bronz Tywin was my favorite character on GOT.

  • Tuomasd
    Tuomasd 2 months ago +916

    Laenor might not be Targaryan, but he roasted his uncle alive with that "What role have you played, uncle? Other than Master of Complaints" 😂😭

    • Red
      Red 2 months ago

      House Velaryon cannot control Dragons and they lift Valeria long before its distraction. This is why they didn't bother to keep their blood pure and mixed with other races. This is why some of them have black skin.

    • Tadaia
      Tadaia 2 months ago +2

      @Shaheen Shad In addition to being Valyrians like the Targs, the Velaryons mixed with the Targaryen bloodline for generations, particularly early in the Targaryen Dynasty. Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters' mother was a Velaryon (Valaena). King Jaehaerys I's mother (Alyssa), King Daeron I's and King Baelor I's mother (Daenaera). They were pretty significant in the history of the Targs even prior to taking Westeros.

    • Faith Esther
      Faith Esther 2 months ago

      Fr i loved it 😭🤣🤣

    • Nistic
      Nistic 2 months ago

      While he rides from the safety of his dragon. Later on we see that same uncle on the frontline.

    • Man of Honor
      Man of Honor 2 months ago

      @SciFiPhiChiPsi valyrian blood is all it takes and they all have it

  • Bram Reichbaum
    Bram Reichbaum 2 months ago +237

    Blew my mind with that Sansa quote about turning wishes into dreams to make them more impressive and prophetic. Wonder how many Targaryens did that? Wonder if this whole Long Night prophecy was actually that?

    • BIastwave
      BIastwave 2 months ago +37

      @Alt Shift X This level of speculation and mystery surrounding an already expansive and complex story is a testament to how good of a writer GRRM really is.

    • Alt Shift X
      Alt Shift X  2 months ago +126

      Like Aegon having a dream of white walkers, and conflating that with his wish to rule Westeros..

  • KMJ
    KMJ 2 months ago +480

    The showrunners used the history of how the Dornish eluded the Targaryan dragons for years by hiding in caves for this story.

    • Ousman Jallow
      Ousman Jallow 2 months ago


    • brandon shorkey
      brandon shorkey 2 months ago

      @BIastwave no, very few of them were. The ones that were massive are famous to the point where you and lots of other people seem to think ALL of them were. It's a massive misconception

    • Sir Denzington
      Sir Denzington 2 months ago


    • Mark Mamola
      Mark Mamola 2 months ago

      Yeah but they are on an island. Couldn’t the dragon just burn all the ships and starve them out?

    • BIastwave
      BIastwave 2 months ago +1

      @bluerisk I think you replied to the wrong person. I never said it wasn’t plot armor. It’s sooo much plot armor. Bad scene tbh

  • Etticos
    Etticos 2 months ago +192

    How do you have every and any image of every topic imaginable ready to go at all times. It’s impressive.

    • It not me It u
      It not me It u 2 months ago +3

      @Etticos you can lock the viewing screen when streaming and grab pics on a different tab/ monitor, you can hear him type quite a bit in the vid

    • noizzz
      noizzz 2 months ago +8

      @Joseph Brennan it was during a raised by wolves stream. He just needs to type in some keywords which are connected to scenes (words, people, etc)

    • Joseph Brennan
      Joseph Brennan 2 months ago +1

      @noizzz when did he say this?

    • The Hoopman
      The Hoopman 2 months ago +51

      He has a software program and everything has a tag that he types in when someone mentions anything from whole GoT universe ... he's very meticulous with his videos .. the best X-vidr 👌

    • noizzz
      noizzz 2 months ago +4

      I think he once introduced a new software which works like the search function of iOS (ai recognizes the scene)

  • PJ Rivera
    PJ Rivera 2 months ago +637

    Well they followed the books pretty well with making crabfeeder a pretty easy foe since the battle of the stepstones isn’t a super important part of history.

    • Andi Braun
      Andi Braun 2 months ago

      ​@Darkstar Still doesn't make much sense, they looked like complete idiots in the fight.

    • Mark
      Mark 2 months ago

      Gave him way too much screen time then

    • Don Perison
      Don Perison 2 months ago

      @merkikima what??

    • PJ Rivera
      PJ Rivera 2 months ago +2

      @Selena Simone it only lasted a chapter

    • PJ Rivera
      PJ Rivera 2 months ago +1

      @marjoe32 Damn I just noticed that, now I’m mad I didn’t see it beforehand that its a LITERAL stepstone for daemon to learn to be a capable commander.

  • Fiery Waco
    Fiery Waco 2 months ago +464

    I don't think Laenor saved Daemon...I think that was the plan all along to draw Craghas out.

    • Ousman Jallow
      Ousman Jallow 2 months ago

      @Mark Hamstra Yep

    • Annie Rowe
      Annie Rowe 2 months ago

      Both can be true

    • Immortal Science of Hauntology
      Immortal Science of Hauntology 2 months ago +1

      @Alt X (OgersHaveLayers) yeah. Plus we see right at the beginning that the triarchy archers shortbows are capable of hurting Daemon through his plate armour but not disabling him. So while it was definitely the stuff of fantasy fiction it was well written to make reasonable sense.

    • ThornInTheEye
      ThornInTheEye 2 months ago +1

      Well yeah, but Daemon was still a few seconds away from a group stabbing before Laenor showed up

    • It not me It u
      It not me It u 2 months ago

      Well he did save him tho , daemon was gonna die

  • Chris Kehley
    Chris Kehley 2 months ago +173

    Paddy Considine and Matt Smith are just acting their hearts out, Paddy is giving Viserys soo much depth and character it's fantastic, Matt Smith steals every scene he's is he's feared and loved at the same time, He wants his family to have all the power

    • Chosen Wizdom
      Chosen Wizdom 2 months ago

      White people creaming themselves over mediocre white actors.

    • hildra
      hildra 2 months ago

      Yep 100%! Matt Smith is so good as Daemon.

    • Sam Merry
      Sam Merry 2 months ago +2

      Something to note, smith only had one line in this episode! The guy has incredible presence 👏 good example of show dont tell i guess

  • BlueStone
    BlueStone 2 months ago +184

    The Mountain really did Ser Hugh of the Vale a favor by beating him so hard he travelled back in time and became not one, but two Lannisters.

    • Legz Diamond
      Legz Diamond 2 months ago +1

      Yep. He beat him into the middle of last century. Horrifying.

    • BlueStone
      BlueStone 2 months ago +30

      @Greywolf757 They liked killing Tommen's actor so much they just had to do it twice.

    • Jake Hall
      Jake Hall 2 months ago +12

      @Greywolf757 might be that they just really like the actor and know they work well with the team

    • Greywolf757
      Greywolf757 2 months ago +7

      Tommen's actor also played another character. I know Game of Thrones has a lot of actors and I do like the Jason Lannister actor, but can they really not find enough actors to get a new one for each role?

  • Kye Kimler
    Kye Kimler 2 months ago +450

    The whole time watching this episode I was just going "fuck yeah!" to every little thing.
    "Breakbones! Clubfoot! The Hooded Hand! Laenor! Crabs! SEASMOKE! FUCK YEAH!"
    Seriously though, I find myself getting a little bit emotional with this show. To be so heavily invested in the original series only to have it turn to utter shit was incredibly disappointing, it just feels so good to have GoT material that I can be excited about again after years and years of wanting :)

    • Aliens Confirmed
      Aliens Confirmed 2 months ago

      I really liked this episode. Even more than earlier ones. The world building with a proper royal hunt, Rhaenyra that's estranged from everyone, Viserys was more conflicted than ever and there was also major character moment for Daemon. But I came across some general audience responses who didn't like the episode and I was surprised. But then again a lot of these people find GoT season 1 boring so there's that.

    • Aussie Flintkapping
      Aussie Flintkapping 2 months ago

      I kept pausing it so I could fangirl to my fiance about the smallest little details lmao

    • Seth Patton
      Seth Patton 2 months ago

      @Mr Los let me guess you're too intelligent and boring to enjoy things or something?

    • Kye Kimler
      Kye Kimler 2 months ago +1

      @alphaTube No I disagree, I will continue to have high hopes for this show. The most insulting part of the original series was just how clearly D&D did not give a shit by the end, they just wanted their money and to go onto making Star Wars. Ryan on the other hand seems to deeply care about this world, which to me is worth a few narrative oddities. For example he didn’t HAVE to make Viserys such a good character, but look at what he’s delivered, arguably the greatest improvement on a character from the books in the entire span of the shows. We’re only three episodes in.
      Let me say that again, we’re only THREE EPISODES in and already people are calling doom and gloom. So how about we all get a little more perspective, stop being so miserable and wait for everything to wrap up before we start acting like the series has gone to shit?

    • YeahYeah
      YeahYeah 2 months ago +1

      @alphaTube the majority of people love it, such a shame you don't

  • Kiera_rdh
    Kiera_rdh 2 months ago +432

    People are only upset and shocked by all the long time jumps because they are forgetting that we are watching a long extended prologue to the real story that the show runners are trying to tell, which is the dance of the dragons civil war. If they had started the show right at the beginning of the war we wouldn’t care about anything or understand the back story. I’m glad they’re doing the timeline the way they are.

    • ArisCarroll
      ArisCarroll 2 months ago

      @Cezary Woźnica i'm sorry, what are we talking about?

    • Cezary Woźnica
      Cezary Woźnica 2 months ago

      @ArisCarroll Unlike you, right? 🙄

    • ArisCarroll
      ArisCarroll 2 months ago

      the average person has an incredibly short attention span

    • mrquicky
      mrquicky 2 months ago

      I had left youtube on auto-play during my sleep as is my usual habit. Woke up to find out that the House of the Dragon everyone is talking about is more Game of Thrones. I laughed heartily. I'm very excited to find out which season of this series will be ruined by the feminist film agenda and how angry the viewers will become.

    • Ousman Jallow
      Ousman Jallow 2 months ago


  • bearly hardley
    bearly hardley 2 months ago +263

    I actually loved the moment when Daemon squished his knight, as awful as that sounds. It immediately sets the tone for this conflict overall and tells you that Daemon is not here to save anyone. He’s only here for blood.

    • Jesse
      Jesse 2 months ago +8

      It came off to me funny yes but also as a mercy. The man was literally in the middle of being eaten alive. A nice clean death by dragon stomp was much better. Unless someone was expecting Daemon to jump down off the dragon and untie him personally lol the dude was about to be a meal. If I were him I would have appreciated the quick death.

    • Veronica Panella
      Veronica Panella 2 months ago +37

      @Mo I assumed Daemon did not see or hear the knight when he landed on him. The whole landing on the knight shows that the knight is small compared to the whole war. I mean the knight looks like an ant from 3,000 feet up. He was collateral damage. Kind of like a passenger jet landing in the middle of busy downtown NYC and the wheel touching down over a person.

    • Mo
      Mo 2 months ago +40

      They make it look like Daemon flew in there as the hero that will avenge his men, then the squish happens and we realize oh right he doesn't give a shit, he's just there to burn stuff

  • DeltaFrost117
    DeltaFrost117 2 months ago +368

    To the question the chatter raised about why Caraxes wasn't in that final battle, I would assume that it could have easily been there, had they wanted it, however without Daemon riding and directing it personally, it's likely that it could/would have caused a significant amount of damage to the Velaryon forces too. Whereas just having Seasmoke flying around and burning shit in a much more precise manner was a lot more effective. Also, had Caraxes been there, I doubt it would have had the restraint to let the events develop to the point where the Crabfeeder sent out all/the majority of his boys, and would have attacked much sooner to protect Daemon, but also making it so the Crabby bois would have stuck in their caves

    • Adarsh Singh
      Adarsh Singh 2 months ago +10

      @redrenegade13 There is no red dragon there in the battle. No Caraxes, No Meleys. Its the one and only Seasmoke. Colour of Seasmoke is a gradient mixture of silvery-white to reddish-brown. I watched 3-4 times frame by frame to see where you saw the red dragon.

    • redrenegade13
      redrenegade13 2 months ago

      There was a red dragon there. I couldn't tell if it was Caraxes or maybe Rhaenys riding Meleys, but I feel like if it was Rhaenys they would have made a bigger deal, so I'm inclined to say it was Caraxes. He just followed Seasmoke over to fight, since Daemon obviously wasn't directing him.
      Seasmoke was the white/silver smaller one.

    • Chris Bloss Bogarìn
      Chris Bloss Bogarìn 2 months ago

      @Korey Ross that’s was laenor who was riding seasmoke.

    • Darkstar
      Darkstar 2 months ago +13

      ​@Korey Ross That was Seasmoke

    • Viggo Martinsson
      Viggo Martinsson 2 months ago +7

      @Korey Ross wasn’t that seasmoke?

  • quelthela
    quelthela 2 months ago +169

    I think when you feed your prisoners alive to the crabs then you lose the "fair" war.

    • Ah yes daddy
      Ah yes daddy 2 months ago +1

      @𝙽 𝙾 𝚂 𝚃 𝙰 𝙻 𝙶 𝙸 𝙰 i agree with it being a good point, kid. Nice for calling it out

    • Monde Serena Williams
      Monde Serena Williams 2 months ago +1

      @Concept exactly.

    • Gadget-Walkmen
      Gadget-Walkmen 2 months ago +2

      basically yeah.

    • Concept
      Concept 2 months ago +16

      @Monde Serena Williams Daemon is many things. Honor is not one of them.

    • Monde Serena Williams
      Monde Serena Williams 2 months ago +5

      Yeah, but, for an honorable person, what their enemies did shouldn't affect their morals.

  • buahahaevillaugh
    buahahaevillaugh 2 months ago +186

    Other than Viserys losing his fingers, it was also visible that Crabfeeder's Greyscale had been getting worse, causing him to even lose his eye.

    • NeloAngelo
      NeloAngelo 2 months ago

      @Sh3tposts GamerTime “Source: Trust me bro.”

    • Sh3tposts GamerTime
      Sh3tposts GamerTime 2 months ago

      @NeloAngelo targaryuns cant get greyscale duhhh

    • theNobleTaco
      theNobleTaco 2 months ago

      @NeloAngelo right, like no gloves or anything?

    • buahahaevillaugh
      buahahaevillaugh 2 months ago +2

      When you play the game of plot armour, you win or you fall in one of your own plot holes and die. It is known. I really, really hope they handle this somehow and not just use a "Daemon kinda forgot" card. I can't handle that kind of trauma.

    • NeloAngelo
      NeloAngelo 2 months ago +2

      Yeah, didnt daemon touched him by dragging him out of the cave?

  • Trevan Bangsund
    Trevan Bangsund 2 months ago +221

    Did everyone see that Viserys only has 3 fingers on his left hand now? It was the scene where Alicent tried consoling him back in kings landing after the hunt.

    • valar morghulis
      valar morghulis 2 months ago +1

      Yes, happens when the King is married with 3 boys from the Queen; he sliced his hand open to the bone on the throne. Rhaenyra came with her Maester from Dragonstone and he removed two fingers, saving his life. By then Rhaenyra also had 3 boys, and they hated their cousins…the beginnings of the dance…

    • SR B
      SR B 2 months ago +1

      @valar morghulis yeah and it was one of the princesses that caught it . Dude was near death and she came in with her own maester and they cut the fingers off and he recovers. At least as far as I remember it's been awhile . There was definitely more drama around it

    • valar morghulis
      valar morghulis 2 months ago

      @SR B Happens many years later in the book…

    • Kenny
      Kenny 2 months ago +1

      In one scene they forgot to cgi his green fingers 😭

    • Roronoa Law
      Roronoa Law 2 months ago

      @redrenegade13 Don’t worry, that quote about men/women/realm/torch will be proven false.

  • krios739
    krios739 2 months ago +26

    On the subject of comparison to Robert and Viserys' royal hunts, while the former definitely was limited by budget, I can still completely see Robert just wanting to grab a spear and trudge off on his own to go kill something and not wanting to deal with the fuss. It's almost an inverse of Viserys who wanted to just enjoy the 'fuss' but kept getting sidelined by politics the entire time.

    • theGreeneWitch.draws4java
      theGreeneWitch.draws4java 2 months ago +4

      I like that. If you remember King Robert and Ned's trip from winterfell to Kings landing, Robert says something along the lines of "Gods! This is country! I have half a mind to leave em all behind and keep going," and I think that kind of supports what you're saying about Robert's character. The man was a warrior, he was never meant to be a king.

  • Bankinus
    Bankinus 2 months ago +64

    Anyone who has played crusader kings knows that Viserys problem with Aegon's and Rhaenyras age difference is not so much that it is "gross", but that it leaves them with a terribly tight window of producing heirs. He could end his entire line with one single dubious marriage arrangement here.
    And unfair as biology may be in this regard a young woman with an old husband and an old woman with a young husband are simply not the same for that purpose.

    • Skylark Landing
      Skylark Landing Month ago

      @TheReccher it does still limit the window to like, 8-12 years. That sounds like a lot, but consider the tech level of the setting, in particular their medical know-how. The mother would likely need more time between babies to recover. And even if the mum managed to crank out a baby every year, many might not survive. There wouldn’t be a way to keep premature babies alive, and there are no antibiotics or vaccines so kids died young much more frequently. And then you add war, dragons, attempted assassinations - there’s a high death rate. So anything that means less baby-making years presents a problem in this world, especially with succession and prophecy on the line.

    • TheReccher
      TheReccher 2 months ago

      This whole thread is filled with the scientifically ignorant. Please god let it close.

    • TheReccher
      TheReccher 2 months ago +2

      @YetiPotato That's not even scientifically accurate. Women are still highly fertile in their early thirties. It's usually around their late thirties when fertility drops.

    • theGreeneWitch.draws4java
      theGreeneWitch.draws4java 2 months ago +1

      I wonder if maybe the Hightowers suggested the marriage between Aegon and Rhaenyra so that if something "unforseen and tragic" happened to her, the hypothetical King Aegon could remarry, and the hightower line would have an even more advantageous position in politics/ the line of succession.

    • YetiPotato
      YetiPotato 2 months ago

      @DNACat Was Rheonyra specially fertile or was THE SEED STRONG

  • Mo
    Mo 2 months ago +116

    Every single interaction with Viserys this episode was absolutely phenomenal. I loved how no matter how much pressure there was on him to make Aegon his heir, he was steadfast in his support for Rhaenyra and stood by his decision of having named her his heir already, in little details like never actually speaking of Aegon as his heir, mentioning that Rhaenyra's husband would be "king consort", then ultimately his conversation with her in the council room assuring her that she won't be replaced. And of course how he put Jason Lannister in his place and made him sh*t himself.
    Beside that the next highlight of the episode was definitely Daemon and his suicide rush, cutting down two dozen men under arrow fire. People who say it was unrealistic can hate as much as they want but all I know is that the man is an accomplished warrior who wields Dark Sister, and he ran in there not intending to come out alive all so that Viserys doesn't steal his glory with the backup he sent. And for me personally it's impossible not to love a badass warrior prince.
    Oh and Lyonel Strong is an absolute king who must be protected at all costs

    • KaritKtana
      KaritKtana 2 months ago

      Yes, yes, yes, yes and _YES_

    • GrimMrGoodbar
      GrimMrGoodbar 2 months ago

      @MrColors23 b.roy23 you guys are absolute cry babies

    • Alice Deligny
      Alice Deligny 2 months ago +4

      @Greywolf757 Well Viserys made the decision to name Rhaenyra heir partly in memory of his dead wife, and he truly cares about his daughter. That's why he's uneasy about giving to Aegon what is now hers.

    • Greywolf757
      Greywolf757 2 months ago

      Why is Viserys acting like he can't change the heir? Heirs change all the time as people are born and die. If Viserys's son hadn't died in episode one, he would have become the heir even though he already had an older daughter. So why do these extra three and a half years matter? If he was going to grant his last son the chance to be heir to the throne, he should grant his current son the same right.

    • Acacio Moore
      Acacio Moore 2 months ago +2

      @MrColors23 b.roy23 I also thought there were a lot of sloppy moments in the battle and I was surprised with Miguel Sapochnik being involved.

  • Über Sheep
    Über Sheep 2 months ago +201

    I work as a sub at a middleschool, and some of those kids can go from looking like little children to 30 and paying taxes in a span of 3 years, so laenors rapid aging is not too out of place here. Sometimes puberty can hit like a truck.

    • gringott12
      gringott12 2 months ago

      I went to school with a Mexican guy who grew a beard in 8th grade.

    • Greywolf757
      Greywolf757 2 months ago +2

      I've subbed for everything from kindergarten to 12th grade and I think Middle Schoolers are the hardest to handle because they have the attention span of Elementary students with the bodies of High School students.

    • Marjoss1
      Marjoss1 2 months ago +5

      Great point! I also think actively participating in a war for 3 years would age anyone pretty quickly as well.

    • Jay Clearmen
      Jay Clearmen 2 months ago +8

      Yup! I’ve seen guys jump from 4-6 inches within a single summer no BS! I myself didn’t grow any facial hair till way later BUT My Voice got deep Asf when i was 12 almost overnight one day it was hoarse then next morning very raspy

    • Jess Harkness
      Jess Harkness 2 months ago +25

      i was thinking the same thing! leanor and laena are twins, and we know laena was 12 last episode. it's been 3 years, so we can assume they are 15-16 now. i do think laenor looks older than 15-16 but the dramatic jump in his appearance isn't too far off base.

  • baby kitsune
    baby kitsune 2 months ago +39

    I really appreciate the fact that Alt answered the repeated questions and repeated explanations of theories for anyone who missed it, I imagine it can get annoying and I feel like other people would just skip past it. Idk just something I noticed.

  • Chris Lamia
    Chris Lamia 2 months ago +64

    I don’t think the Laenor looking much older thing while Alicent/Rhaenyra look the same doesn’t make sense. Laenor’s pre and post puberty which can make a massive difference whereas the girls had already done most of their growing. I also think Alicent in particular did look more mature

    • Glen Coco
      Glen Coco 2 months ago +1

      @Sayaalicious !! yes but 2-3 years can make a big difference while you’re a teen. A 12 year old boy looks a lot different than a 15 year old boy, right?

    • Sayaalicious !!
      Sayaalicious !! 2 months ago

      Year but like only 2 years and a few months have passend 💀

    • AVerySillySausage
      AVerySillySausage 2 months ago +1

      @Chris Lamia He got blessed but will probably make the best of it.

    • Chris Lamia
      Chris Lamia 2 months ago

      @AVerySillySausage Thoughts on Slasher to FaZe?

    • AVerySillySausage
      AVerySillySausage 2 months ago +6

      They've done something with the hair and makeup to make the aging work.

  • Fly Alaric
    Fly Alaric 2 months ago +36

    It's always interesting to me that when we talk about old Valyria and the Targs it's brought up they are one of the "lesser houses" but there were only 40 Dragon Riding families- and everyone else was less than that. So even if they were the 40th most powerful, they're still one of the most powerful families on the planet.

  • Dæn
    Dæn 2 months ago +35

    I hate when people compare Otto to Tywin. They are two completely different characters with different approaches to politics. Tywin is much more brutal and machiavellian where he uses fear and brutality to gain power. You see this in the war in the riverlands or the sacking of kings landing. Otto on the other hand is much more manipulative trying to scheme his way to the top. Otto is more similar to littlefinger than Tywin, but even that comparison has issues.
    I think people compare Tywin and Otto cause they are both hand of the king, they both control their king and they are both played by actors who can portray powerful older men.

    • Olorin
      Olorin 2 months ago

      Tywin was the Lord of a great house and acted like it. Otto is more subtle and subservient in his ruthless pursuit of power.

    • Dæn
      Dæn 2 months ago

      @Sh3tposts GamerTime Otto is more hotpie than Cersei

    • Sh3tposts GamerTime
      Sh3tposts GamerTime 2 months ago

      Otto is more tywin than cersei

    • Mad Maxx🍊
      Mad Maxx🍊 2 months ago

      The only reason Tywin didn’t have to move the way Otto did is because he was first born. He didn’t have to snake his way to the top.

    • Dæn
      Dæn 2 months ago

      @Greywolf757I mentioned that comparing him to littlefinger is problematic as well. They have completely different motivations. I
      think during an interview Matt Smith said that people will always compare and contrast the characters and archetypes of got with hotd. Sadly there's not much you can do about it.

  • Márk Mikolay
    Márk Mikolay 2 months ago +24

    For me, the scene with Viserys killing the stag gave the impression that it was representing himself. Caught in a snare of power, unable to move in any direction, helpless and strugging. It was almost like giving the killing blow to himself, especially with the very unsettling music in the background and the focus on Vysery's face and expressions.

  • Yel low
    Yel low 2 months ago +3

    It must be really rewarding to be a writer or just anyone on this series, coming up with all these really smart allegories and metaphors and then have X-vidrs like you pick up on all of them so they don't go unnoticed. :)

  • blackeyedlily
    blackeyedlily 2 months ago +43

    I wanted to expand on your mention about the appearance of the Hightowers in the books. There is Jorah’s Hightower wife, who he says looked quite a bit like Daenerys. And then there is the mother of Loras and Margaery Tyrell, Alerie Hightower. She is described as having silver hair and it doesn’t seem to be due to age. So it does seem that there are members of the family that are described as having features similar to the Targaryen, just like House Dayne.

    • Eddie Harding
      Eddie Harding 2 months ago +4

      I think this is because those families are all descendants of the Great empire of the dawn, a pre long night society in Essos that we get very little information on. These were the original dragonriders and the builders of Asshai. In the first book Daenerys had a dream/vision of some dudes with flaming swords and fancy coloured eyes and I think silver hair but I can't remember. They could be the emperors of the Great empire of the dawn, her ancestors. This is why these ancient houses are so powerful, the Dayne's have the sword Dawn, which has a lot of parralels/could be the ancient sword lightbringer, a GEOTD Mythical weapon. The Hightower's have old town, which has a structure (I can't remember which one) made of the same oily black rock seen in Asshai. And of course the Targaryens have the blood of the dragon. These three families have these common traits like hair colour and fancy eyes because they have ancient ties to an old and mostly forgotten people.
      Edit: damn this was all in the video I just got to this point lol.

  • Florence Okoye
    Florence Okoye 2 months ago +32

    Here’s a thought - what if Viserys’ reluctance came from Balerion, not in spite of being able to ride the dragon or due to fear of him, or being unable to control the dragon? Dragons do have intelligence and the bond might work in both directions. An old tired dragon from another world might send the mentality of a vigorous but still empathetic young man into interesting places.

  • Yaman Alghanem
    Yaman Alghanem 2 months ago +74

    Daemon being angry that help is coming gave me vegeta vibes. I love that moment!!!

  • Spearshake
    Spearshake 2 months ago +142

    The scene where Rhaenyra was looking at the white Hart made me cry. It was such an emotional scene and I don't know why but any scenes involving character interactions with majestic animals make me tear up. Like Otto was going on the whole time about how this White Hart was a sign that Aegon was meant to be king and yet it appeared to Rhaenyra in some prophetic way.

    • Darkstar
      Darkstar 2 months ago

      @hildra It was a symbol of her legitimacy as heir to the throne while Aegon is not as The White Hate didn't appear for his Name day celebration

    • hildra
      hildra 2 months ago +1

      I thought it was a bit of an omen that she let the white hare go. This might come into play later to what happens to Rhaenyra.

    • Acacio Moore
      Acacio Moore 2 months ago

      @Spearshake That could be how the second Long Night is triggered. They end up making decisions that lead to the very thing they are trying to avoid. I still believe the Night King is a Targaryen and not a Stark as we have been led to believe. Just think, why would dragon glass and Valyrian steel in particular be the weapons that can kill them? There is even more to suggest a Targaryen connection to the White Walkers that return.

    • Spearshake
      Spearshake 2 months ago +2

      @Acacio Moore I don't know to be honest I'll need to rewatch the episode to be sure. Targaryens have been known to misinterpret their dreams which ultimately leads to them to set in motion a course of events which leads to the outcome they wanted to avoid/ or leads to one they never wanted. Rhaegar ignited a rebellion against his house. Aegon V caused the death of himself and some of his family at Summerhall heralding the real beginning of the end for the Targaryens. The list goes on

    • Acacio Moore
      Acacio Moore 2 months ago +2

      It also showed me that if she were to become Queen she would be much better suited to the task than her father. She saw the white hart and knew its value and instantly knew that killing it was not the right thing to do. Viserys however teetered about killing his stag and needed direction. Trapping and bidding that creature was not an honorable kill yet he let himself be talked in to it much like many of his decisions thus far. The way both handled their situations so differently is telling.
      The part about Viserys having another dream about Rhaenyra being the rightful heir was sort of glossed over and very confusing to me. Did he have this dream/vision before the one about his son being a conqueror or after? It seemed like he was suggesting that it was before and when the second dream came, he interpreted it as what he wanted to see because he desired a male heir so badly.

  • Brett D
    Brett D 2 months ago +102

    1:48:00 The "King of the Rhoynar" thing is straight from the books. Aegon the Conqueror takes that title upon his conquest, even though he fails to conquer Dorne. Subsequent Targaryen kings continued to claim Dorne as theirs, even though it was clearly independent. Definitely a case of disputed claims and trying to just say a thing until you can make it real.

    • MagnaMater2
      MagnaMater2 2 months ago

      Additionally we don't know how the Dornish war worked out 'privately'. The whole thing and the silent acknowledgement not to attack the Martells is rather strange. - I still believe it has something to do with Rhaenys surviving her fall in Hellholt and after some time as a prisoner there, was 'rescued' by the Martells and kept as a hostage with them. According to rumors the Martells 'bought' the peace with the Targaryens - most likely by buying a sex-slave from the Ullers.
      If there was something odd about Aenys I ancestry (the minstrel) and being of Rhaenys bloodline was his only claim, and she had children from her stay in Dorne (probably the Vulture King by Lord Uller or Nymor Martell) or Deria had a child by Aegon himself, there would be needed some dynastic contract, that would include that the Dornish aknowledge the Targayen Line of Aenys as the senior line of 'their' house. A private contract would have allowed both sides to get out of the war without loosing their face among their supporters.

    • MagnaMater2
      MagnaMater2 2 months ago

      @George Wright Yeah, I think the 'Protector of Jerusalem' is the English title, the 'King of Jerusalem' is reserved to the Habsburg Emperial line, I vaguely remember Emperess Zita's ceremonial burial featured 'Queen of Jerusalem' in her titles, because I went: 'WTF?!?' on the rattling down of the titles.

    • Extra Victory
      Extra Victory 2 months ago +2

      To be fair Aegon showed up in dorne, declared himself ruler, planted his flag so to speak. And the dornish were too busy fleeing and retreating and hiding from his overwhelming force to complain,or dispute it. So Aegon left again. and, at that point, he's basically done his due diligence to claim the territory lol.

    • George Wright
      George Wright 2 months ago

      @YetiPotato sounds plausible unsure how true it is

    • YetiPotato
      YetiPotato 2 months ago +2

      Didnt british royals at some time also have the name "King/protector of Jerusalem" some time after crusader kingdom fell

  • Stanza
    Stanza 2 months ago +35

    I like that they showed viserys' hairline receding and how they ever so slightly changed his wig to a flatter, thinner one

    • Sh3tposts GamerTime
      Sh3tposts GamerTime 2 months ago

      @YetiPotato slowly drinking more like every king and queen.

    • YetiPotato
      YetiPotato 2 months ago +4

      Yea I also noticed that. Truly shows that Viserys is getting older. Maybe he is even aging faster with the stress of the position and prolly not that healthy lifestyle.

  • Kiera_rdh
    Kiera_rdh 2 months ago +53

    Notice that Matt Smith was second on the bill for this episode but he didn’t say a SINGLE WORD? Shows how Daemon is not just a shit talking trouble maker rich boy but a true force to be reckoned with, he killed the crab feeder without a word. Also Smith’s wordless acting was something to behold.

    • Greywolf757
      Greywolf757 2 months ago +3

      While I liked Matt Smith's portrayal of Daemon in this episode, I think he may have been second on the bill due to the fame of the actor rather than the importance of the character in this episode.

    • Kiera_rdh
      Kiera_rdh 2 months ago +6

      @Nurse to Bee My mistake, he did actually have a line in the first scene after Caraxes lands on the guy, Daemon stalks around on caraxes saying “where are you” looking for the crabfeeder. BUT STILL the whole arc later on with getting the letter and waving the white flag and killing the crabfeeder, THAT was all wordless.

    • Nurse to Bee
      Nurse to Bee 2 months ago +10

      Holy shit he was such a big presents that i didn't even notice that.

  • Mila Zandstra
    Mila Zandstra 2 months ago +6

    About the greyscale: Shireen's greyscale has been healed and is no longer contagious, and it also looks like that. Her greyscale is really only grey scabs on her face. The crabfeeder's greyscale, however, looks red and quite active and I think would still be contagious.
    (I'm saying this as someone who has no more medical experience than the average person, this is just something I thought of.)

  • burnsr92
    burnsr92 2 months ago +62

    been following for years and so happy to see more regular and fresh content. feels like we got a good one with HoTD

  • Roronoa Law
    Roronoa Law 2 months ago +8

    Aside from Daemon’s insane plot armour to survive those arrows, a great episode all round

  • Amy Dean
    Amy Dean 2 months ago +24

    Describing the Hart as a "shiny pokemon" is the very content that keeps me here lol
    And I only discovered this place a few weeks ago.

  • Rebecca Madsen
    Rebecca Madsen 2 months ago +5

    I think the dragon landing on the velaryon knight also symbolizes that dragons are powerful in times of war but just as destructive

  • Mark My Words
    Mark My Words 2 months ago +30

    I'm pretty sure it was an obvious callback to GOT S1 to have a Lannister weapon kill a Stag... or is it just me?

    • Sam Merry
      Sam Merry 2 months ago +5

      I want to enjoy the show but they need to stop overtly reminding me of got 🙄

  • KaritKtana
    KaritKtana 2 months ago +3

    The problem with the pug is that it's a MODERN TIMES Pug.
    It's nice enough for highborn ladies to spoil and carry their little pets, but dogs didn't look this deformed up until well into the 20th century

  • bat tse
    bat tse 2 months ago +7

    yeah the crab feeder was counting response time for daemons dragon. by sending it little by little. should the dragon appear maybe in the first 2 waves, they are only losing 10 guys, and they will know it's a trap and everything fails. but when they are sure this dude really left the dragon behind they went all out.

  • Scott Erlendson
    Scott Erlendson 2 months ago +17

    Paddy Considine’s performance in this episode was off the charts

  • Top Gun
    Top Gun 2 months ago +67

    Every time I hear someone mention the Jon Snow TV show I start laughing. What a terrible idea.

  • magister343
    magister343 2 months ago +17

    Countershading evolved frequently to counter the effects of natural shadows. Sunlight falling on the top of an animal makes its top look brighter and the shadow it casts makes the bottom look darker. Countershading mitigates this effect, reducing the contrast so that the animal becomes less easily visible to predators or prey.

  • cleansingserum
    cleansingserum 2 months ago +34

    really impressed with hotD so far. love this channel

  • userapsvra
    userapsvra 2 months ago +16

    Finally got the time to watch this, I felt a little frustrated with Viserys but at the same time really sorry for him this episode, mans was just straight up not having a good time, could barely even relax lmao. But omg Seasmoke! Was soo surprised to see him and absolutely loved his design!

  • Ilovecookies
    Ilovecookies 2 months ago +8

    I like Aegons A song of ice and fire theory/dream. It fits on why he was so into counquering Dorne. His dream says unite all of westeros. Also explains why Torrhen Stark bend the knee so quickly after he marched the whole way down. I mean sure dragons were scary but these are northerners. They talked in private and they were in agreement that the others were a threat.

  • Narokkurai
    Narokkurai 2 months ago +3

    To the "King of the Rhoynar" point, Queen Elizabeth I was crowned as Queen of England, Ireland, and *France*, despite the fact that she controlled no French territory and did not ever win any. Royal claims don't need to actually be backed up by any tangible control, they can just be claimed and used as a tool for warfare or diplomacy until the claim is renounced.

    • theGreeneWitch.draws4java
      theGreeneWitch.draws4java 2 months ago

      It's true, and that's a really good point. British nobles claiming nations and territories that aren't theirs, in particular France and Normandy, goes way way back.

  • Brett Mammel
    Brett Mammel 2 months ago +16

    Daemon’s mad dash across the battlefield reminded me of Speirs in Band of Brothers sprinting across that town while the rest watch in amazement.

  • LGC
    LGC 2 months ago +5

    About the greyscale, I think it also has to do with the idea that Targaryens don’t easily get sick. It’s one of the basis for the Targaryen exceptionalism.

  • Robin Foss
    Robin Foss 2 months ago +38

    I think Dr. Crab Man is a bit like The Mountain: a warlord, a mad dog, a blunt instrument. A simple man with simple tastes who can be deployed when the time is right.

    • Scrotie McBoogerballs
      Scrotie McBoogerballs 2 months ago +1

      @Darkstar could you elaborate more on what happens to the stepstones when Daemon leaves?

    • Darkstar
      Darkstar 2 months ago +7

      After his death another Prince arrives I don't remember the name but as soon as Daemon leaves The Stepstones are gone again

    • We're the reckless, we're the wild youth
      We're the reckless, we're the wild youth 2 months ago +14

      Bruh, I thought he was a prince who had acquired greyscale, lost everything and now is out for blood because he realises how fickle life can be and how not much matters.

  • Quinton Harris
    Quinton Harris 2 months ago +15

    Daemon walking out with the Crabfeeder cut in half was so badass

  • Underdog
    Underdog 2 months ago +50

    The first 2/3 of this episode was pure delight. Amazing dialogue and character scenes. The last 1/3 was fun to watch, but felt a little cheesy and unrealistic.

    • Alt X (OgersHaveLayers)
      Alt X (OgersHaveLayers) 2 months ago +2

      Yeah, but it's fine. It's about generic placeholder enemies there to be slaughtered so that casual audience doesn't feel bored.
      This isn't conclusion of arcs or characters personality flaws leading to their downfall.
      It is pretty much on the level of necessity of production as cutting away from the Tyrion fight in S1, or Robert going with 3 dudes to hunt or excluding the majority of the fantastic colour from the show so a wider audience doesn't shrugged it away.

    • Pyro Bellator
      Pyro Bellator 2 months ago

      @Aurane Waters no lol there’s defending shit that kinda makes sense and there’s defending stupid stuff. Defending season 8 plot is not the same as defending mechanics of real life weapons. From far away people literally run to the left or right while getting shot at with bullets and still do t get it and from a certain distance a human can get shot 1-3 times and still be fine depending where he got shot and still be able to fight as long as he addresses the bleeds. I’m giving u facts and ur just butthurt

    • Aurane Waters
      Aurane Waters 2 months ago +3

      @Pyro Bellator This is exactly like when people defended dumb stuff in the later seasons of GoT lol. You find an explanation for everything if you really want to. Wouldn’t they attack him with many men at once if hes known as this great and dangerous fighter? Every arrow missed him but when it was convenient for the plot he suddenly got hit with three of them. The crabbers men came out and instead of doing anything they just stared at him until they were attacked from behind. Thats the definition of major plot armor and convenience

    • Pyro Bellator
      Pyro Bellator 2 months ago +1

      @Aurane Waters like I said you’ve probably never shot a bow or know how any of the mechanics work but the bow is realistic, also they came one at a time he never sent them all until the end once he realized he cut through all like butter, he’s also like one of the best fighters with a Valyrian sword and he was shot by arrows not just in the end but the beginning too, he was also wearing a gambeson or some king of tunic that is still armor and from the distance the arrows came from and the angle it wouldn’t have actually penetrated that much. If he got point blank shot to the chest and lived yes it’s plot armor but if he got hit by arrows coming from what looked like 500 meters away he wouldn’t die. Arrrows were used point blank in medieval worlds mate the farther u go the less penetration

    • Aurane Waters
      Aurane Waters 2 months ago +3

      @Pyro Bellator Not with so many arrows everywhere and they eventually hit him when it was convenient. It was also convenient that he was only ever attacked by one guy at a time. I dont understand why people feel the need to defend plot armor

  • Samphaa7
    Samphaa7 2 months ago +74

    Is nobody gunna mention how Daemon lifted his arm when arrows were getting fired and Caraxes lifted his wing like Daemon had some mind control shit going on?

    • Ousman Jallow
      Ousman Jallow 2 months ago


    • Birinder Warraich
      Birinder Warraich 2 months ago +2

      The bloodmages did some shit with dragons and valyerians.

    • nathaniel bugg
      nathaniel bugg 2 months ago +3

      he's moving the chain he's holding

    • 𝙽 𝙾 𝚂 𝚃 𝙰 𝙻 𝙶 𝙸 𝙰
      𝙽 𝙾 𝚂 𝚃 𝙰 𝙻 𝙶 𝙸 𝙰 2 months ago

      @Mo targaryens are good people

    • Mo
      Mo 2 months ago +39

      Also when Daemon got hit and Caraxes "squealed" (doesn't feel right to say he roared there)
      That immediately got me thinking that when they say that Targaryens "bond" with their dragons, they literally mean it.

  • Lewis McDonald
    Lewis McDonald 2 months ago +42

    Daemon wasn’t dodging arrows they were just missing. He was pretty far way and running at full speed not that unrealistic imo.

    • RA
      RA 2 months ago

      @Pyro Bellator EXACTLY!!! Bolton’s army was more of an army and less a bunch of criminals and outcasts…
      And yeah I don’t believe he had plot armour at all but I could see why people would see that,
      from an editing point of view, they seemed to emphasize Daemons fast running aswell as his foot movement which pretty much makes it clear that it’s in the writing that he’s running ahead of the arrows chasing him, maybe also symbolizing all the people who want his head but he always seems to “outrun” them…
      But I don’t think people that dislike Daemon are gonna look into this stuff anyways, he seems to have that love hate relationship with the audience

    • Pyro Bellator
      Pyro Bellator 2 months ago +1

      @RA bro not only are they not really that trained they are shooting at daemon from far asf away while he’s in a full sprint and only when he stops to slice someone throat does he not just get hit once but 3 times idk how that’s plot armor it’s fucking realistic Jon snow had arrows fall all around him while he was standing still and nobody complained about that and the Bolton’s had actually good archers

    • RA
      RA 2 months ago +1

      people in these comments are thinking Crabfeeders archers are “trained archers” just cause one guy is standing there saying NOCK, LOOSE
      You could have archers and they could still be shite if your army is shite,
      Daemon and Corlys were winning the first couple battles in the stepstones and it was only the caves that turned the battle for Crabfeeder, it doesn’t change the fact that Crabfeeder is a dirty “crackhead” with no true army all just people he recruited, all I’m saying is DONT EXPECT THOSE GUYS TO HIT THE TARGET ON THE FIRST OR SECOND OR THIRD OR FOURTH SHOT!!

    • Pyro Bellator
      Pyro Bellator 2 months ago

      @The Hoopman yea have u ever used an actual bow. Bows are not that accurate even in medieval Europe the longbow men have been proven to be used in almost point blank range the farther u go the weaker the penetration and those bows were not heavy bows they were recurved so they probably had a low draw weight to begin with. Also I don’t think they are trained as u think and daemon was running to the right from way farther than Rick on running straight from Ramsay. Ramsay was pretty close to Rick on which is why he even hit and he still missed twice. Those guys were like 4-5 times farther than Ramsay we saw them on the top of the mountains like come on man it’s not that plot armory it’s actually kinda realistic if u know about these stuff

    • The Hoopman
      The Hoopman 2 months ago +1

      Trained archers miss their shots ok bro 🤣🤣🤣 ramsey Bolton hit rickon from about 400 yards and he ain't an archer #plot armor

  • vichu
    vichu 2 months ago +9

    It is so evident that daemon is not so brave at the beginning, he retreated on hit one and even with a dragon he fing retreated, but at the end even after hit three times, not sure of any backups, he goes on, it shows how nuts he gets for acknowledgment.

  • Karl M
    Karl M 2 months ago +6

    Amazing when Seasmoke enters the battle… the one thing the show has done incredibly well so far is explain how important the allowance with the Velaryons is to the Targaryens… I do however feel a dance of the dragons was always inevitable one way or another

  • Sha Yo
    Sha Yo 2 months ago +3

    how the hell do you find the still frames so fast Alt Shift lol. well played. I love it! watched this entire thing. fun chillin' w ya.

  • beautiful carpet diagram
    beautiful carpet diagram 2 months ago +29

    Otto is playing the game "how young can I marry someone"

    • Lauren
      Lauren 2 months ago +2

      @Abigail Ivan same I actually laughed when I thought about him saying that and when he said aegon I laughed even more

    • Abigail Ivan
      Abigail Ivan 2 months ago +1

      I thought he was going to say "me" lol. The grandson makes more sense though.

  • Canadish
    Canadish 2 months ago +35

    01:33:00 on the 'Targs don't get sick' issue, I suspect its linked to the concept of the 'true dragons' vs normal Targs. Its like the Targs have latent super powers (dragon riding, sickness immunity, fire immunity in the show etc) but it only comes to the surface for certain family members, if 'the dragon wakes' etc.
    Id guess it's also linked to the Valyrian blood magic/genetic experiments.

    • Ole Nickel
      Ole Nickel 2 months ago +6

      Wasn't there a, I think it was Preston Jacobs, video about how it might be X-chromosomal? And the math checked out? It also seemed like something GRRM would do. Take a romantic fantasy concept ("royal blood") and then go "this, but realistic and with all the shitty, ugly implications it would actually have" like incest and superstitious medieval people trying all kinds of magic tricks to summon their abilities. And the idea of making it x-chromosomal and then having that play out in a patriarchal society with no idea of genetics is just so juicy it seems in character for George.

  • Ryan Nightingale
    Ryan Nightingale 2 months ago +15

    Daemon did play dirty with the truce banner...and yet his foe(s) were playing dirty by torturing all those men. So in my mind its fair play.

  • Davey Jones Locker
    Davey Jones Locker 2 months ago +7

    They don’t just stay in the cave because it’s WORTH risking taking Daemon, he’s a huge prize
    At the same time, they don’t want to send all of their men out because they would lose all of their men in one dragon strafe (which is what ultimately happens and what Daemon intends to happen)
    So the middle solution is to send out a few at a time, enough to hopefully overpower and capture daemon but no enough to risk all of your forces, but daemon’s putting up a fight lures them all out.
    Pretty compelling sequence and writing imo

  • Staff Sgt. Sullivan
    Staff Sgt. Sullivan 2 months ago +10

    I believe the love for Daemon in the fandom-and justification of his controversial methods-is due to the vacuum of characters to root for. It is possible I’m in the minority in not enjoying Milly Alcock’s portrayal of Rhaenyra and projecting, though.

    • Quadri Rahaman
      Quadri Rahaman 2 months ago

      Matt Smith is a really good actor as well as being a former Dr Who

    • Beatness
      Beatness 2 months ago

      I think the love for Daemon is because he's hot

  • Lance Andrew
    Lance Andrew 2 months ago +46

    I legit thought when the Unsullied were attacking Casterly Rock that they were attacking Castle Stokeworth. Yknow, Bronn's castle in season 5. They could've just posted a PNG file of book-accurate Casterly Rock in the episode and I would have been fine with it.

    • Will Beard
      Will Beard 2 months ago +1

      @Lance Andrew I blocked out the long night. Everything else happened except episode 3 in my head. It was so bad I prefer to believe the white walkers didn't come.

    • Lance Andrew
      Lance Andrew 2 months ago +1

      @Will Beard I'm on board for retcons. We can all just pretend the og show was some alternate timeline and whatnot. At least, that's my head cannon 🤣

    • Will Beard
      Will Beard 2 months ago +2

      @Lance Andrew honestly I hope so. I wouldn't be upset if they retcon everything post season 4.

    • Lance Andrew
      Lance Andrew 2 months ago

      @Will Beard so are they gonna retcon it if they ever will show the Rock?

    • Will Beard
      Will Beard 2 months ago

      Sounds like we will see casterly rock in the show at some point

  • Mark Morante
    Mark Morante 2 months ago +7

    I think the fact that he doesn't have a dragon bond anymore made him weak in a sense it's like the dragon inside him "Died" in a way since the bond can affect both the dragon and the rider

  • Ridzal
    Ridzal 2 months ago +3

    Seeing Daemon's reaction to his brother's message sending help, I doubt he would have taken kindly to Lord Corlys going, "Oh, by the way, my wife, your cousin, the one who was passed over for succession by your brother, wants in on the battle. She has a dragon, too, you know." Laenor, on the other hand, was already involved in the war. I just don't think Daemon would have agreed to Rhaenys being involved in any way in the battle

  • blueberry smasher
    blueberry smasher 2 months ago +10

    13:00 It was also comical the "exposition" guy was rewarded with crabs thrown onto his body so nonchalantly by the Crabfeeder, and was later squashed by Daemon's dragon.... perhaps a subtle metaphor for how the rulers in this world don't really care for the People they rule over or soldiers they command, but wage wars only to safeguard own legacy/legitimacy.

    • Immortal Science of Hauntology
      Immortal Science of Hauntology 2 months ago

      not exactly a _subtle_ metaphor! It also shows the dangers of dragon warfare - they kill indiscriminately.

  • Audrey
    Audrey 2 months ago +4

    i loved the cute little armor on the dogs at the hunt

  • vichu
    vichu 2 months ago +18

    I thought for a moment there, the stag was gonna kill Viserys.

    • YetiPotato
      YetiPotato 2 months ago +2

      Aye, he was awfully close to those antlers and awfully sluggish with hungover and oldness.

      POEN POTZU 2 months ago +4

      I thought he was going to get injured

  • PowerScissor
    PowerScissor 2 months ago +19

    When it turned out Joffrey sent the dagger to kill Bran in the books I realized GRRM had absolutely no plan for that plotline and just had to write something to get those books out.
    I mean, it was a huge mystery that set the whole war in motion. Tyrions capture, Ned's beheading, I mean everything....and GRRM just tosses in yeah Joffrey did it...just because.

    • Greywolf757
      Greywolf757 2 months ago

      @blaertes I don't think Joffrey would care if a boy was suffering. He might kill someone for fun, but he isn't going to pay an assassin to kill someone just so he can sooth their pain.
      But I'm willing to overlook this particular plot hole. There are bigger fish to fry.

    • PowerScissor
      PowerScissor 2 months ago +1

      @blaertes He overheard Robert, not Jaime. But I agree you can make it work without holes.
      I'm saying it's just obvious GRRM didn't plan that from the start. He had to make something work to keep the story going, and wrote that to make sense.

    • blaertes
      blaertes 2 months ago +1

      Joffrey overhears Jaime discussing how it would be a mercy if Bran died in the fall rather than having to live life broken. I think it’s believable

    • Braytech Exoscience
      Braytech Exoscience 2 months ago +13

      I actually thought it perfectly showed the opportunistic nature of Baelish's plotting; he had no idea who had really done it, and played along with it to turn it to his own advantage. It shows the cannablising of the Lannisters by how Joff indirectly fucks over and almost kills Tyrion.

  • Michael Brindley
    Michael Brindley 2 months ago +12

    People are making way to big of deal about Deamon landing on the knight at the beach and team killing him. It's dark af out, imagine landing a huge ass dragon in the misty dark night. He wouldn't have heard him crying for help nor would have cared regardless, he didn't know he did it. There's nothing funny or serious about it. It's literally collateral damage.

  • blueberry smasher
    blueberry smasher 2 months ago +5

    Thank you for filtering out the spoiler supercats as well. I'm really digging this series thus far. Would hate to be spoiled. Much appreciated!

  • _maghetweten _
    _maghetweten _ 2 months ago +7

    42:00 loved the symbolism too: the minstrel acting like a playlist on repeat on X-vid, Spotify and Rhaenyra as the stubborn teenager. Also with her stay in the Kingswood with Criston Cole felt a bit like Rapunzel in Tangled meets Flynn. Rhaenyra is startled for the attention the baby Ageon gets and potential replacement as true heir while Ser Cole plays the role of Prince Charming protecting her from the attacking boar. Did love the resemblance to Robert Baratheon his hunt though.

  • TheRandomYoYo
    TheRandomYoYo 2 months ago +6

    There is a very distinct possibility that Rhaegar Targaryen IS the prince who was promised. Who thrust his forged swords into water and the heart of a lion, and then while working on the last sword he thrust his other sword into his beloved, which ended up killing her when she gave birth. Even in the show, his meteorite sword is there. And later Jon Snow is reborn amidst fire and smoke. Jon Snow in the books very likely is NOT the Prince who was promised but rather Lightbringer. He is the one to very likely use that dagger to slay the Night King.

  • Speakhardly
    Speakhardly 2 months ago +8

    I hope that someone already said this here, and to be honest I was surprised that this seemed to not come up in the Q&A. The minstrel playing for Rhaenyra was called Samwell, or Sam, which must be a reference to the movie Casablanca, and the famous line "play it again Sam."

  • Rox & Scotch
    Rox & Scotch 2 months ago +4

    Great discussion, love the video, and thank you for not spoiling things while still comparing the show and book. 100% will watch your next one!

  • Adarsh Singh
    Adarsh Singh 2 months ago +43

    I think I have read somewhere or heard in one of your videos that Targaryens are immune to various diseases and greyscale is one of them.

    • Adarsh Singh
      Adarsh Singh 2 months ago +1

      ​@Acacio Moore After reading several comments and searching I found that Targaryens do get greyscale.

    • Acacio Moore
      Acacio Moore 2 months ago

      I doubt that as Greyscale is theorized to be caused by "Prince Garin's Curse". If that is true, the curse was originally aimed at the Valyrians or some specify it as the dragon riders of old Valyia. Unless there was some sort of magical intervention over the course of history they would not be immune as they were the target of he curse. Again, that is assuming Greyscale is the result of Garin's Curse.

  • steve9893
    steve9893 2 months ago +7

    The only thing I kept wondering when watching this is how is the Crab man still causing them trouble if he's just hanging out in a cave? As soon as he and his men get in a ship have a dragon burn it down and any survivors will drown. It seems like all Daemon had to do was wait for them to finish their supplies in the caves and get back in their boats.

    • Serenity Now
      Serenity Now 2 months ago +4

      Exactly and yet it is Daemon’s provisions which are dwindling. I also disliked how they depicted Daemon using the white flag to surrender as oppose to initiating a cease fire for negotiations. If he were truly getting decimated by an enemy hold up on an island he would pack up his toys and go home instead of surrendering. And no one can convince me that two dragon couldn’t both neutralize the archers on the high ground while aiding the foot soldiers as well. The Crabfeeder should have been starved out the caves in no time and not this 3 year BS

  • Rahul Dhargalkar
    Rahul Dhargalkar 2 months ago +4

    Laenor upon Seasmoke was so good!

  • Callum
    Callum 2 months ago +3

    I think you have overanalysed the Aegon’s prophecy dream, as you have to take into context that it was from Viserys to Rhaneyra, father to daughter, a fairytale to make her believe in the family story

  • daroe23
    daroe23 2 months ago +22

    One of the points of this show and the book that it is based on is that it is an adaptation of history, and the one truth about histories is that the victors get to write them. Newsflash: from a dynasty perspective Rhaenyra wins this godsdamned war. As an example from English history : the idea that Richard the third was a terrible person and Henry Tudor was a gift from the gods is an incredibly biased opinion given to us by a writer who was trying to gain the favor of Queen Elizabeth.

  • Deborah Whitehead
    Deborah Whitehead 2 months ago +3

    2:27:50 starts the discussion about the white stag and its meaning/ symbolism.

  • Haveldorf
    Haveldorf 2 months ago +2

    i really enjoy that they're weaving in future characters in relatively subtle but foreboding ways, particularly with the Strongs.

  • D2attemp
    D2attemp 2 months ago +11

    For the Crabfeeder he basically gets his own little kingdom to rule over. It’s better than just pirating off the coast of Sothoryos

  • Post Punk 69
    Post Punk 69 2 months ago +21

    At one point, I was convinced that Viserys were giving specially fortified wine to hurt him like Robert xD

  • Trustworthy McLegitimate
    Trustworthy McLegitimate 2 months ago +99

    I expected RHAENYS be on her dragon to fight alongside her husband and son. also Very RISKY of Corlys to put his young son his heir into the frontline.

    • valar morghulis
      valar morghulis 2 months ago

      Supposedly Vhagar had yet another rider (until he also died), Baelon Targaryen, father of Viserys…

    • theGreeneWitch.draws4java
      theGreeneWitch.draws4java 2 months ago

      @valar morghulis ahh, I see

    • valar morghulis
      valar morghulis 2 months ago +1

      @theGreeneWitch.draws4java I stand corrected; King Viserys never rode Vhagar. Viserys was the last Targaryen to ride Balerion. “… though after the death of the Black Dread in 94 AC he never mounted another dragon…”. Actually Vhagar had a total of three riders; Queen Visenya and Laena (until their deaths) then lastly Prince Aemond. My bad, I thought Viserys also rode Vhagar, hard to keep track…

    • theGreeneWitch.draws4java
      theGreeneWitch.draws4java 2 months ago +1

      @valar morghulis I wonder, if because King viserys bonded with the black dread first, his bond to his second dragon wasn't a true bond? Typically a rider can only bond to one dragon in their lifetime(even tho dragons can bond multiple times,) but King Viserys had already made a bond. Perhaps the second bond was so weak that the dragon was able to allow another bonded rider while the first one lived?

    • valar morghulis
      valar morghulis 2 months ago

      @c C dsds Vhagar, largest dragon since the Black Dread, had 3 riders. King Viserys, Laena Velaryon (even while Viserys still lived), and Aemond Targaryen (after Laena died)…

  • Kay Redhawke
    Kay Redhawke 2 months ago +7

    props for showing the MOST legit sibling behavior i've ever seen on tv of getting so mad that your sibling is coming to help you that you say hold my beer and win an entire war in one go

  • Joshua Robison
    Joshua Robison 2 months ago +3

    Really loved just how *DONE* Viserys feels with all the pageantry of being King. It seems so, so tiresome.

  • Benjamin Rahmanovic
    Benjamin Rahmanovic 2 months ago +1

    Viserys wants his daughter to be happy. Immediately made me think of Tywin saying: The house that puts family first will always defeat the house that puts the whims and wishes of its sons and daughters first.

  • Jerdasaurus rex
    Jerdasaurus rex 2 months ago +6

    It's entirely possible for armor to stop an arrow enough to prevent serious injury but enough to deflect it.

  • Mattchew8 Mealey
    Mattchew8 Mealey 2 months ago +1

    The scene with Daemon surviving against cities countless volleys of arrows while also defeating multiple men at once in battle was definitely creeping into Battle of the Bastards level of unbelievability. Send out one man to except his surrender and if he kills him stay in your caves and just rely on your arrows to take him out. If he reaches the caves then he's still dead anyways.

  • FinalDragoon63
    FinalDragoon63 2 months ago +4

    I'm so glad it was mentioned about the Bard (samwell) at 41:00, my immediate thought was her treating him like an Amazon Echo device.

  • Skylark Landing
    Skylark Landing Month ago +1

    2:34:12 I love that the moment Glidus pops in, Alt starts taking the piss for a bit.