Seems like you would just design your routine to do moves that would earn more net points (less deductions). Then the people who can't do it properly wouldn't.
So controlled. Obviously every sport needs rules for skill & safety however giving zero points for going the extra & creating new moves or longer moves seems political, hierarchical & punitive.
@ses Not necessarily. If a banned move was previously allowed, there would be a precedent for how it's supposed to be done. There could also be general rules on how certain kinds of actions should be done on the basic level (arms straight, toes pointed, etc.) that can be applied to everything, legal or banned.
@Brock Steele If something isnt in the rules there is no formal benchmark of correctness right? So if the performer does something they have never seen before they can always claim it was executed precisely as intended.
@Dio Over Heaven that makes the most sense. like if you have to solve the equation 10 + 5. and to begin with you divide both numbers by 2 and write out that you now have 5 + 2 and then solve that to get 7 which you then times by 2 to somehow get 15. you got the right answer but in your superfluous move you were wrong so got points marked off. and if you were correct throughout the the added extra steps you wouldn't get any extra points.
The story of Elena Mukhina whose career and eventually life ended when she was pressured into practicing the now-banned Thomas Salto while recovering from an injury shortly after beating Nadia Comanici is one of the saddest and most tragic stories in sports.
The pineda, along with thomas saltos , etc- were removed because of how overwhelmingly dangerous they were to everyone. Slightly underrotating a thomas salto is a horrific and catastrophic injury
@Kira Slith moves are allowed or not allowed because even the skills that are “allowed” are pushing your body beyond what it was ever evolved or naturally capable of doing. If you push it even further beyond that, risk and injuries can be catastrophic or fatal, easily. The gymnasts who compete are generally very young, teens, pushed by their parents, guardians and coaches to do crazier and crazier things, it’s not always as easy as “they want to do it/they don’t want to do it” some of these athletes are abused and forced to do certain routines. Generally, moves are banned to minimize the risk that gymnasts will be injured, paralyzed or killed for an athletic exhibition. I was a competitive gymnast for 10 years- you see nasty injuries happen to 11, 12 year old girls, and teens, just doing basic routines and moves. Things are banned for a reason.
Yeah, that flying T pose on the rings (Not an gymnastics athlete myself, so I don't know it's proper name, sorry!) became a bit of a point of drama at the olympics when one athlete did it for the full length of his set in protest. The concept of "allowed moves" completely ruins the idea of a trick-based sport.
Is it the standing on the top bar or the backwards rotation they deemed unsafe? The Korbut Flip was the backwards release on uneven bars, but standing on the high bar is banned now.
didn't you listen? "banned" move is everything that is not on the list. you and I could easily perform such "banned" routine just by lying in our beds. i mean, that's not on the list, right?
I mean, those moves are easy to mess up and can kill or permanently paralyze if performed incorrectly, that's a dangerous combination If I had to chose between a) a world were this moves were legal and presentations slightly cooler looking but there was a constantly growing list of people who die/get paralyzed trying these or b) this world i think this one is probably better, or at least the people in that list probably wouldn't complain They wouldn't complain either way tho
Really off topic, but - My mother is a really huge gymnastics fan. Last night she dreamed that women's gymnastics had been changed so that each girl had to do a trick and then bake a batch of cookies, and she would be scored on how good the cookies were.
"That was an illegal move so you receive 0 points, as well as a deduction of 0,5 point for doing it wrong on top of it all. Conclusion you have a -0,5 point"
Where they said the judges won’t give you points but will still deduct points for any mistakes made on that move, it made me think of that one line from Brew Stew on his video about summer vacation “It’s one of those games where you can’t win, but you can sure as hell lose”
What if I come up with a really sophisticated move not listed in the rulebook, that is asthetically pleasing and not "too dangerous", but also not comparable to any existing moves?
I took gymnastics for a hit minute a a kid (I was never that good at it so I didn't stick with it that long) and our coach lied I guess. They said if you did a banned move the judge would tell you to stop and you'd be DQed, automatically getting last place and banned from your other events you were supposed to be in that day.
This is the, in my opinion, where these sports become stupid its pageantry to a large degree. Instead of allowing athletes full freedom to create new moves test and express themselves
Part of me hates these reasons why the moves get banned because, although I completely understand why, why are we banning unique moves that these athletes work HARD to achieve. They are dangerous? Home girl just did it and made it look easy. No one else has to do it if they don’t want to. They are aesthetically pleasing? Let my boy do awkward helicopter circles in peace. (Yes. I understand they don’t want people trying these moves and get themselves paralyzed for it. I get that one of the fundamental elements of gymnastics is the aesthetics. I’m glad they are protecting their own) But let my people have some fun and freedom in their lives and sport 😂
At some point, you gotta just make sure people don't even try. Some of these moves look really painful, that one move where it seems like you can EASILY break you neck being one. Sports are often 90% skill and 10% luck, but failing to have that luck would merit you an end to you career/life immediately. Now for the weird moves that aren't dangerous, I can understand your point there, but I'm not sure whether or not they're actually showcasing gymnastics. They're flashy, sure, but not exactly a good showcase for it.
Gymnastics isn't the only sport that bans moves in this manner, in figure skating for example any jump that results in the feet going over the head are now banned for safety reasons, though at one point you could gain points for them.
Perhaps only using unapproved moves, in an explicit statement that your there to celebrate humanity and not seeking medals or glory, is the most awesome thing to do.
Imagine a “sport” where you lose points for something that has no defined scoring system in the rules, sounds more like an contest of popularity and judge personal opinions
@David S Same sort of paradox of f1, they can keep making the cars safer to crash but they will always be incentivised to risk crashing in the quest to go faster
I would do a banned move evry time just so i could feel better than everyone and to show of how skilled i am but then again im prolly never gonna do this type shi so….
Are there any rules or regulations on moves being added to the list? And how often would the move list be updated if at all? I'd assume people would want to create their own moves and associate it with their names? Genuinely curious about that
Of course! New skills get added all the time. They name a skill after the first person to perform it in competition, these are generally at the Elite level, but any gymnast above level 5 is competing optional routines and is free to work with their coaches to design the best routine for themselves, down to each element(Poses, connections, dance moves, etc.). Although entirely novel elements still pop up, a lot of them are variations of other skills with different connections, form/posture, or additional rotations/turns.
Like, I understand if it’s too Dangerous, but other than that, I feel it’s silly to ban moves that don’t meet the arbitrary standard of the “aesthetic”. If it’s still an impressive feat of strength and stamina and gymnastic capabilities, it should be allowed. Then again, I’m not a gymnast and don’t understand all the intricacies.
In trampoline, there is like this unwritten rule that if you turn forward you must also do a 1/2 turn on yourself or 1 and 1/2 etc, and if you turn back you must do 0 or 1 etc. So when I see someone do 1 and 1/2 turns while doing a backflip, Im like what are you doing? But there is nothing against it.
Handspring triple front was banned for safety reasons, same with back layout and back full to worm thing on floor. The parallel bars move was banned for no real reason other than aesthetics. It looks dumb imo. The Pineda on rings was banned because no one could compete it with zero deductions.
Everyone else: *does things that will snap their necks if done incorrectly*
The one guy: *awkward circles*
@StarrySunflower they moved the bars apart so it’s really dangerous now becuse you can’t hold the top bar and bottom bar properly
@Exercise Thoughts and Discussions IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO
@Dylan LaMarre idk why but this cracked me up
@Dylan LaMarre lmao
@Exercise Thoughts and Discussionsbruuuhhh😭😭😭😭😭
I believe Pineda was banned because of poor execution of exercise by almost everyone, so they just decided to remove it
Just like double quast on high bar
Wrong, It was banned due to politics. Read deeper into it, a gymnast was a (correct) smartass to judges during the cold war so it was banned.
@CheeLive it’d be harder in actually rings tho, the ones used in calisthenics have way shorter traps, making it easier.
@double L I didn’t understand any of those worrs
Seems like you would just design your routine to do moves that would earn more net points (less deductions). Then the people who can't do it properly wouldn't.
The one where that girl did that like archy layout to like a worm/stomach roll thing looked quite painful
I heard the bars can cut right through you or break a bone if you fall on them.. they are mainly steel based i think so ouch
I literally gasped out loud at that part! I am a former gymnast and my 8 year old is in gymnastics now and that move terrified me!
So controlled. Obviously every sport needs rules for skill & safety however giving zero points for going the extra & creating new moves or longer moves seems political, hierarchical & punitive.
@Daniel Vasquez She was actually injured on the Thomas Salto, NOT the Korbut flip with a full twist (called the Mukhina).
LOL
“You did a banned move! Thats a 0!”
“AND YOU EVEN DID IT WRONG MAKE THAT A -2”
@ses Not necessarily. If a banned move was previously allowed, there would be a precedent for how it's supposed to be done. There could also be general rules on how certain kinds of actions should be done on the basic level (arms straight, toes pointed, etc.) that can be applied to everything, legal or banned.
@Brock Steele If something isnt in the rules there is no formal benchmark of correctness right? So if the performer does something they have never seen before they can always claim it was executed precisely as intended.
@ses Not really. Banning a move doesn't mean the judges have to act like there isn't a way to do it properly.
But then it becomes impossible to define whether the move has been done incorrectly right?
If you're going to screw up, go hard or go home lol
That one guy looks like my meal in the microwave
Chad and macaroni?
I’m having a pretty bad day, thank you for the laugh
@Johnny Repine 💀
snack 😋
basically, doing a banned gymnastics move is equal to getting an answer wrong on a test
It's more like writing a paragraph for an assignment, but doing it around the wrong topic.
@abiean222 so I'm technically correct I guess?
No
@Dio Over Heaven that makes the most sense. like if you have to solve the equation 10 + 5. and to begin with you divide both numbers by 2 and write out that you now have 5 + 2 and then solve that to get 7 which you then times by 2 to somehow get 15. you got the right answer but in your superfluous move you were wrong so got points marked off. and if you were correct throughout the the added extra steps you wouldn't get any extra points.
No it's like changing the math test question and making mistake in the answer.
That spinning bar moving looks like a scooting dog 💀
wait so you’re telling me the girl who did the death loop did not get any points?!
That move was fucking insane, it should be its own olympic sport
@Uncomfortable Shirt thx
@Aya Jade no it’s actually because women are better than men
Imagine being in prison and your crime was a triple front flip…
🤣
I want to do an entire difficult routine with banned skills just to fuck with the judges azarian style
I'd love to see this at the Olympics, it'd be top tier comedy
Chaotic evil
Someone should do a full routine of just "banned" moves
That's the first thing I thought of 😂
If your gonna do something illegal, do it correctly
The guy confused the judges with the helicopter helicopter
The story of Elena Mukhina whose career and eventually life ended when she was pressured into practicing the now-banned Thomas Salto while recovering from an injury shortly after beating Nadia Comanici is one of the saddest and most tragic stories in sports.
Link?
So like forbidden jutsu in Naruto. You're not supposed to do it, but like, you're not gonna get in much trouble
If that move is banned, then clearly the apparatus desires the wrong aesthetic. That was majestic, bro, a living hood ornament.
The pineda, along with thomas saltos , etc- were removed because of how overwhelmingly dangerous they were to everyone. Slightly underrotating a thomas salto is a horrific and catastrophic injury
Gymnastics has been in a decline for years. There's a reason athlete's do weird things as a big 🖕 to judges.
@Kira Slith moves are allowed or not allowed because even the skills that are “allowed” are pushing your body beyond what it was ever evolved or naturally capable of doing. If you push it even further beyond that, risk and injuries can be catastrophic or fatal, easily. The gymnasts who compete are generally very young, teens, pushed by their parents, guardians and coaches to do crazier and crazier things, it’s not always as easy as “they want to do it/they don’t want to do it” some of these athletes are abused and forced to do certain routines. Generally, moves are banned to minimize the risk that gymnasts will be injured, paralyzed or killed for an athletic exhibition. I was a competitive gymnast for 10 years- you see nasty injuries happen to 11, 12 year old girls, and teens, just doing basic routines and moves. Things are banned for a reason.
Yeah, that flying T pose on the rings (Not an gymnastics athlete myself, so I don't know it's proper name, sorry!) became a bit of a point of drama at the olympics when one athlete did it for the full length of his set in protest. The concept of "allowed moves" completely ruins the idea of a trick-based sport.
A final act to leave everyone in awe
yeah, it's a really restricting sport. that's probably the point of it.
That hip flip on those uneven bars was sick AF!
Belly beat to wrap :)
Is it the standing on the top bar or the backwards rotation they deemed unsafe?
The Korbut Flip was the backwards release on uneven bars, but standing on the high bar is banned now.
That one dude on the parallel bars is doing what I call the dog with an itch
I broke my back by just seeing that girl's death loop 💀
I want to see a routine of exclusively banned moves
@🌸kikosawa🌸 What they meant is a routine in which every move contradicts the rules yet it is still athletically challenging and aesthetically pleasing
@🌸kikosawa🌸 they meant gymnastics moves. chill
didn't you listen? "banned" move is everything that is not on the list. you and I could easily perform such "banned" routine just by lying in our beds. i mean, that's not on the list, right?
“Yeah, that’s a banned move so zero points, but because you did it incorrectly, negative points for you.
The trick on the uneven bars with the girl is mesmerizing
The landing for that first guy looked extremely painful. I'm surprised he was able to get up.
So someone just decides: “oh hunny, no!” And they make sure it’s banned.
I mean, those moves are easy to mess up and can kill or permanently paralyze if performed incorrectly, that's a dangerous combination
If I had to chose between
a) a world were this moves were legal and presentations slightly cooler looking but there was a constantly growing list of people who die/get paralyzed trying these or
b) this world
i think this one is probably better, or at least the people in that list probably wouldn't complain
They wouldn't complain either way tho
That’s honestly just fucking sad,!god screw the world we live in
That's literally every sport
Bro really hit them with the spinning radio antenna finale
Two of those were done by Olga Korbut, at the time she was only 14! She was amazing
I can absolutely see how some of those moves could’ve ended on 1,000 Ways to Die
Damn they really hate creativity.
That landing on the first clip looks like it would cause knee/ankle/foot tendon and ligament damage to ANYONE else who landed that way 😱💀
Complete spinal disintegration lol
And tailbone fracture ouch
That’s why they banned it. Also the risk of neck injury is huge
those banned floor moves look TERRIFYING good god
TIL: Landing on your balls is illegal in gymnastics.
Really off topic, but -
My mother is a really huge gymnastics fan. Last night she dreamed that women's gymnastics had been changed so that each girl had to do a trick and then bake a batch of cookies, and she would be scored on how good the cookies were.
why is no one talking about that girl on the bars?? THAT SHIT WAS CRAZY
Whys nobody talking about one of the most famous gymnastic routines of all time?
So basically you can’t get credit but we can take credit
Government explained in one sentence
They literally call the vault you kept showing the vault of death for a reason. It's so so dangerous!
"That was an illegal move so you receive 0 points, as well as a deduction of 0,5 point for doing it wrong on top of it all.
Conclusion you have a -0,5 point"
This kinda scoring is why "olympic" style gymnastics are going the way of the dodo. I wish athletes were more free to perform.
Where they said the judges won’t give you points but will still deduct points for any mistakes made on that move, it made me think of that one line from Brew Stew on his video about summer vacation
“It’s one of those games where you can’t win, but you can sure as hell lose”
Everyone risking there necks while this guys spinning like chicken
I'm learning alot abt gymnastics and how I would be terrible at it from this guy. Love it
Okay the only reason why I want to be a gymnast at this point is because I want to break all the rules
“You don’t look aesthetic when you do this move, so we removed it :D”
What if I come up with a really sophisticated move not listed in the rulebook, that is asthetically pleasing and not "too dangerous", but also not comparable to any existing moves?
Oh. I just saw he make a video of that too.
Normally, when you "create" a new move, you can send it to be approved and integrated to the competition
Then your screwed is guess
I’m sorry but I don’t do gymnastics and the last footage made me laugh 😭
I took gymnastics for a hit minute a a kid (I was never that good at it so I didn't stick with it that long) and our coach lied I guess. They said if you did a banned move the judge would tell you to stop and you'd be DQed, automatically getting last place and banned from your other events you were supposed to be in that day.
This is the, in my opinion, where these sports become stupid its pageantry to a large degree. Instead of allowing athletes full freedom to create new moves test and express themselves
Gymnastics, like so many other sports, is fucking crazy
What a great way to expand creativity.
Anyone remember when Helen Hu did the Korbut at the 2016 Nastia Liukin Cup and terrified the audience.😂
Banned moves iniatiate a 1v1 with the rules commission.
Well I mean the death loop wasn't banned until pretty much right after she competed it so that specific video technically isn't a problem lol.
That one girl that did a swan dive had me like 😬 like girl your neck is not happy with you
"I thought that move was prohibidi-bibidi-babado."
That uneven bars move was just insane!
so... if you create a new move or trick, what does it take to get it made into an official move that would accrue you points in a conpetition?
Part of me hates these reasons why the moves get banned because, although I completely understand why, why are we banning unique moves that these athletes work HARD to achieve.
They are dangerous? Home girl just did it and made it look easy. No one else has to do it if they don’t want to.
They are aesthetically pleasing? Let my boy do awkward helicopter circles in peace.
(Yes. I understand they don’t want people trying these moves and get themselves paralyzed for it. I get that one of the fundamental elements of gymnastics is the aesthetics. I’m glad they are protecting their own)
But let my people have some fun and freedom in their lives and sport 😂
At some point, you gotta just make sure people don't even try. Some of these moves look really painful, that one move where it seems like you can EASILY break you neck being one. Sports are often 90% skill and 10% luck, but failing to have that luck would merit you an end to you career/life immediately.
Now for the weird moves that aren't dangerous, I can understand your point there, but I'm not sure whether or not they're actually showcasing gymnastics. They're flashy, sure, but not exactly a good showcase for it.
The Waffle House has spoken, phase 2 initiated.
the dude *r o t a t e*
Gymnastics isn't the only sport that bans moves in this manner, in figure skating for example any jump that results in the feet going over the head are now banned for safety reasons, though at one point you could gain points for them.
gets banned for hitting the griddy
Perhaps only using unapproved moves, in an explicit statement that your there to celebrate humanity and not seeking medals or glory, is the most awesome thing to do.
Wow he did something challenging that most people can't even imagine attempting!!!! Let's penalize him.
@Kardz especially those who go above and beyond, risking their life and limbs, like you are apparently planning
@Kardz i did. I liked the answer
@Eric Becker ask yourself that before asking me
Man all those banned moves are badass
Imagine a “sport” where you lose points for something that has no defined scoring system in the rules, sounds more like an contest of popularity and judge personal opinions
"Lets take all of the creativity out of this art"
That one where she spun on the lower bar with her stomach and went back was kinda cool though.
Your poor ribs,,
How tf you gonna take away points for screwing up a banned move but not give points for doing it
Ikr??
Gymnastics is wild as shit
Following you is slowly replacing the fact that all my gymnastics knowledge came from Stick It
Imagine training so hard to perfect a move because it looks so impressive just to get 0 points when performed correctly
I mean you’d know if it were a banned skill or not before you ever started trying to learn it lol.
Rule book is there to protect the athlete from injury and the organization from lawsuit.
@David S Same sort of paradox of f1, they can keep making the cars safer to crash but they will always be incentivised to risk crashing in the quest to go faster
That's BS. For every move in gymnastics, you get more points for doing a more dangerous version of it. They encourage danger.
The judges there don't do gymnastics but yet they can judge on how the move was done.
You don't have to make food to understand how it tastes
That backflip rollout looks so mesmerizing.
banning the dangerous moves makes sense. The other bans are dumb.
What happens if you create a move on your own? Do they allowed it or not cause it isn’t in the book of moves you can do ?
So basically its what happens if i ace a test or get one question wrong
What happens if you invent a move/use an unknown move?
What is someone just goes there and only does banned moves, that would be hilarious
can't argue with that lol
Sounds like the judges are jealous
Jesus Christ that one back breaker
I create new sex moves that aren't in book.
Does anybody know the name of the gymnast and/or the name of the skill that is being done on the parallel bars at 0:13?
@ahchiu9 Thank you, I found just the clip I was looking for.
I believe that's USA's Bart Conner
I would do a banned move evry time just so i could feel better than everyone and to show of how skilled i am but then again im prolly never gonna do this type shi so….
On the Rizz matter, I bet on the Butler. Everyone has fallen in love at least once. So It would be a mundane task
Y'all are underrated
That bar move looked like it hurt
Wait the Conner spin is banned?
Are there any rules or regulations on moves being added to the list? And how often would the move list be updated if at all? I'd assume people would want to create their own moves and associate it with their names? Genuinely curious about that
Wow, that's really interesting! Gymnastics are a lot more complex than I first thought. Thank you for your response!
Of course! New skills get added all the time. They name a skill after the first person to perform it in competition, these are generally at the Elite level, but any gymnast above level 5 is competing optional routines and is free to work with their coaches to design the best routine for themselves, down to each element(Poses, connections, dance moves, etc.). Although entirely novel elements still pop up, a lot of them are variations of other skills with different connections, form/posture, or additional rotations/turns.
Do a video series showing us banned moves.
So what if u make a routine with only banned moves
I wish I could flip around that pole like the girl did...my back would feel wonderful after a 360 varial mctwist indy 900 stretch like that.
Like, I understand if it’s too Dangerous, but other than that, I feel it’s silly to ban moves that don’t meet the arbitrary standard of the “aesthetic”.
If it’s still an impressive feat of strength and stamina and gymnastic capabilities, it should be allowed.
Then again, I’m not a gymnast and don’t understand all the intricacies.
In trampoline, there is like this unwritten rule that if you turn forward you must also do a 1/2 turn on yourself or 1 and 1/2 etc, and if you turn back you must do 0 or 1 etc. So when I see someone do 1 and 1/2 turns while doing a backflip, Im like what are you doing? But there is nothing against it.
Can you talk about why the moves you showed were banned?
@Ian Stratton thank you!
Handspring triple front was banned for safety reasons, same with back layout and back full to worm thing on floor. The parallel bars move was banned for no real reason other than aesthetics. It looks dumb imo. The Pineda on rings was banned because no one could compete it with zero deductions.
Everyone I’ve ever known who did gymnastics was miserable
What about when a gymnast invents a move. Like that woman from the '75. If the move hasn't been done before is it automatically banned?
Depends. Most likely the move will be checked beforehand. If the move is deemed safe enough and has the integrity of gymnastics, it'll be accepted.
That dude from the first clip made me laugh so hard 😂
They actually banned me because I was so good at gymnastics and they thought it wouldn't be a worthy competition.
congratulations, you won the 0th place!